Wikispecies:Translation Administrators' Noticeboard/Archive 2022

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Translated templates not showing up in the correct language edit

Page view showing a notification in English, even though Czech has been set as the preferred language in the user preferences, and the template rendering the notification has been localized into Czech language (as well as 16 other languages, excluding English).
Attention fellow translation administrators 1234qwer1234qwer4AlvaroMolinaAmeisenigelChrumpsCreativeCDannyS712KaganerKoavfOmda4wadySamuele2002 Stïngerיונה בנדלאק

Some time ago user User Rosičák contacted me with information that several of our templates still show up in English rather than Czech language, even though the templates are indeed translated and Czech has been set as the preferred language in the user preferences. See Wikispecies:Templates/cs for examples – note the "/cs" for Czech language at the end of the link. As you can see the body text and paragraph headers are shown in Czech, but the text from the templates listed at the bottom half of the page are not. The problem is not unique or specific for that particular page or the Wikispecies namespace: you can see the screenshot here to the right for an example from main namespace (click it for a larger version).

Does any one know what's going on here? I'm at a loss... Also, could you please try and verify whether this issue only occurs for the Czech language, or for other localizations as well.

–Kind regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 14:02, 29 January 2022 (UTC).[reply]

As with some similar cases before, translation-aware transclusion needed to be enabled on the templates. After doing so and re-marking Wikispecies:Templates for translation, pages like Wikispecies:Templates/ru are showing the translated versions of the templates (where present); however, it looks like the Czech translation was not edited by the bot, so you have to wait for the page's cache to be updated by the job queue. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 14:26, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I can see, this is a problem in general on non-translatable pages. Other projects seems to put the translations of a template on a subpage, e.g. Template:XYZ/text and then use this page through some kind of language selection at the main page Template:XYZ with syntax like {{XYZ/text/{{#ifexist:Template:XYZ/text/{{int:lang}}|{{int:lang}}|en}}}}. I do not know if there is an easier solution for this issue. --Ameisenigel (talk) 14:30, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This is currently the only way available.
Alternative - calling themplate as {{dynamite|title=Disputed|t=yes}} . See example.
Optimally - combine these two way (code for {{Disputed}} will be like {{dynamite|title=Disputed/i18n|t=yes}} ). And {{Disputed/i18n}} will be contain translatable content.
If this way wil be approved by community, i'm may convert all translatable templates by this proposed manner (with the migration of translations).
PS: Also, in this way, translation markup would be more easy (without "noinclude" and without any tags in a texts for translations). Kaganer (talk) 15:29, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that the tags are distracting. However, I was not aware translation-aware transclusion did not work on non-translatable pages. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 13:02, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I am fine with this proposal, I generally leave translation matters to @Tommy Kronkvist:, Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 16:06, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Kaganer: Sounds like a good plan --Ameisenigel (talk) 21:12, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I too agree with Scott, Ameisenigel (and myself...) so please @Kaganer go ahead and make the changes, if you like to. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 09:25, 31 January 2022 (UTC).[reply]

────────── Friends, thank you for coming up with the right procedure. As I watched, the proposed solution has already been partially implemented and worked. Hat off! --Rosičák (talk) 17:12, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Solution edit

See realization in the {{Disputed}} template. Please check possible mistakes.

  • Category scheme (for better organize translatable templates) will be updated soon
  • In the templates, that will be converted in these same manner, I'm plan adding direct link to translations through {{Translate}}.

Kaganer (talk) 18:30, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks/danke/gracias/merci/obrigado/grazie/tak/etc. —Justin (koavf)TCM 22:12, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Tack så mycket! "Thank you very much" in Swedish  Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 12:22, 1 February 2022 (UTC).[reply]
Большое Вам спасибо. Rosičák (talk) 15:11, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Progress edit

I'm noticed, that {{DisputedTalkOrDiscussion}} and {{Disputed}} is very similar (difference in icon and in second phrase). First phrase is identical. Duplicate translations look as not very rational.
Maybe this should be single template, with the different look and behaviour depended by namespace? Kaganer (talk) 16:22, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps, but the major difference between the two templates is that {{Disputed}} automatically adds the taxon page to Category:Disputed taxa, whereas {{DisputedTalkOrDiscussion}} does not (since talk pages are not taxa…) –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 12:52, 4 February 2022 (UTC).[reply]
This is after my changes. Before this, all marked talk pages also was added in this category ;)
And this behaviour may be made automatically depends from the namespace. Kaganer (talk) 21:19, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oh I see, I didn't know that the talk pages also used to be automatically added to the category. Thanks for finally fixing that! ;-)
By all means, please go ahead and make the necessary changes – you've done a very good job so far! –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 02:09, 6 February 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Wikispecies:Village Pump/zh edit

Copied from: Wikispecies:Administrators' Noticeboard

Please convert the content language of this page to zh-Chinese, thanks. Stang 19:39, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Done https://species.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Wikispecies%3AVillage+Pump%2FzhJustin (koavf)TCM 20:30, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

New template needs to be translated edit

Hello fellow Translation administrators 1234qwer1234qwer4AlvaroMolinaAmeisenigelChrumpsCreativeCDannyS712KaganerKoavfOmda4wadySamuele2002 Stïngerיונה בנדלאק!

We have a new template called Template:Localizationheader that is in need of translation. It's not a very large one, so please help out if you can! :-)
When fully translated it will be used on Wikispecies talk:Localization, but not until then. Kind regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk) 17:41, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Can you mark it for translation? —Justin (koavf)TCM 17:42, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It is marked for translation now. --Ameisenigel (talk) 17:50, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
 Done in Hebrew. - yona b (talk) 07:50, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
thumbs up Great! It's now also fully translated into German (by Ameisenigel), Russian (Kaganer), Spanish (Koavf) and Swedish (me), and partly translated into French (by CreativeC). Thank you all for your contributions! –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 14:54, 24 May 2022 (UTC).[reply]

French translation – urgent request edit

Hello all. In my opinion finalizing the translation of Section des références i.e. the French version of Help:Reference section is of great importance. We frequently have issues with French-speaking editors who add very badly formatted references and book citations to the site. The vast majority of those edits are made in good faith and with nothing but good intentions, however being able to present the editors with a Reference section guideline in their native tongue would be very helpful. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 13:49, 6 June 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Have you looked at Category:User fr-N, mon frere? —Justin (koavf)TCM 23:29, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Justin. Yes, I did that last night but unfortunately it isn't a very uplifting study. The vast majority of the 131 listed users has only made one edit (when creating their user page) and most of them haven't contributed for many years. Looking back the past five years only 3 of them made one or more edits to Wikispecies in 2018 (2019: 2 users, 2020: 3 users, 2021: 8 users). It looks a bit better for 2022 but there's still only 11 users that has made any edits this year, namely Christian FerrerCulexEcureuil 1FredDHioufKorgMeneerke bloemOmondiPathoschildTrepas and TTjeri.
Tommy Kronkvist (talk) 18:42, 8 June 2022 (UTC).[reply]
Ok, I will took a look little by little, it took me likely a few days. Christian Ferrer (talk) 19:28, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 19:37, 8 June 2022 (UTC).[reply]
Christian Ferrer will probably be the right person, otherwise let me know if I can help (rather during july, I'm having a very busy month). Cheers, FredD (talk) 21:17, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I can take a look at it as well. I'm a French librarian and admin on WP:FR with a fair knowledge of WikiSpecies. Culex (talk) 21:49, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, ok, I'll check it; I probably can do some tranlation to help. Trepas (talk) 00:16, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A French translation of Wikispecies:Bureaucrates (i.e. the French version of Wikispecies:Bureaucrats) would also be nice. It's an important but very short page (only 10 sentences!) however currently only the paragraph headings are translated. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 18:05, 15 June 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Help:Reference section is now translated in french, I will take a look to Wikispecies:Bureaucrats/fr next week or soon. Christian Ferrer (talk) 04:36, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
All done! Thanks to Christian Ferrer and all others who contributed. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk),11:20, 20 June 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Turkish Wikispecies:Localization subpage edit

Attention fellow translation administrators 1234qwer1234qwer4AlvaroMolinaAmeisenigelChrumpsCreativeCDannyS712KaganerKoavfOmda4wadySamuele2002 Stïngerיונה בנדלאק

Apparently there is some error in the Turkish language subpage which changes the layout of the tables there, compared to the original English version. Please have a look and make any necessary fixes. Note that the issue is related to the wiki code alone, so you don't need to know any Turkish in order to contribute. :-) The problem is probably related the one of the latest edits by @FuzzyBot, a bot based at Meta-Wiki. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 10:07, 27 October 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Fixed by editing the translation units. Had nothing to do with translation adminship for what it's worth. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 10:12, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I've tagged some fully untranslated translation units for deletion. This actually needs to be updated in some other translations too (https://species.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translations&message=Translations%3AWikispecies%3ALocalization%2F3); however, the translations of the table column headings need to be moved to the appropriate units as well. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 10:18, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks 1234qwer1234qwer4. I have a heavy cold and am a bit pressed for time as well, so I'm happy for all help we can get. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 12:19, 27 October 2022 (UTC).[reply]
@Tommy Kronkvist, I'm very sorry, the two page deletions you completed were meant to refer to the specific translation units only, not the whole pages! It's actually quite difficult to restore them now, and it only really works if you temporarily unmark the page from translation and re-mark it after undeletion... 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 16:57, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
1234qwer1234qwer4: That's unfortunate – however I deleted them per your Speedy {{Delete}}-requests. Perhaps the logs of Fuzzybot's recent deletions can be of help? –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 17:11, 27 October 2022 (UTC).[reply]
you can just restore all deleted translation units (in the Translation: namespace) except those that have been marked for deletion directly. Kaganer (talk) 19:57, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that part is definitely required. For attribution, also restoring the deleted page history of the translation page would be appropriate too though. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 13:53, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

─────────────── @1234qwer1234qwer4 and Kaganer: Currently it seems I can't even find the history of the deleted translations… However, a new version of the MediaWiki software was deployed to all Wikimedia wikis as late as yesterday, and perhaps everything isn't fully up and running yet (and/or some databases may be lagging behind?) Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 17:11, 4 November 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Software is updated virtually every week, so I have no idea how it would suddenly affect everything being not "fully up and running yet". The API also returns some deleted history for the translation pages; are you sure you looked at the right place? 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 17:16, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I guess you're right: software problems related to server updates seems more and more like a problem we only used to have in the past, and even then quite rarely. Perhaps I am looking in the wrong place. Link please? :-) Or you can send me an email if you feel that's more appropriate. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk) 17:39, 4 November 2022 (UTC).[reply]
https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Translations:Wikispecies:Localization/1/ia shows the deletion log, and should show the undeletion link for admins. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 17:41, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, and obviously that's where they should be. By some reason I was looking in the wrong namespace… Again, thanks! –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 17:53, 4 November 2022 (UTC).[reply]
The translation pages' histories is now restored with Special:Redirect/logid/5581395, Special:Redirect/logid/5581396. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 15:41, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Community portal translation edit

Hello everyone, I just have a question, are there any technical reasons for not relying on translation extension in Community Portal, like wikidata, commons ...etc? --Mohanad Talk 22:15, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, none that I'm aware of, and using the translation extension is a good idea. However it should be noted that it's a fairly forgotten page, with very few visitors. Here's a comparison chart showing October's usage statistics for the Wikispecies Main page (green bars in the diagram), Help:Contents page (red bars in the diagram) and the Community Portal page (blue bars in the diagram). Note that the statistical values for the three pages vary a great deal, so you may want to click the "Show values" and "Logarithmic scale" checkboxes for a more legible and useful bar chart. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 02:58, 2 November 2022 (UTC).[reply]
Thx @Tommy Kronkvist, hope we do soon --Mohanad Talk 13:08, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]



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