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The RFC on the above template has now closed with an unanimous vote for its use. Therefore editors can now use the template, but please see these comments;

  • Database links used as references should not be deleted if taxonbar is added.
  • The resulting look can be customized with comments.
  • Do not use use the outdated The Plant List or the non-functional COL.
  • Use with care when there is a taxonomic opinion that may result in two legitimate taxon pages for the same organism.

See here for the vote and discussions. Hope this helps and thanks Andyboorman (talk) 17:19, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

@Andyboorman: Somehow managed to miss all this - it wasn't very well advertised! Obviously I can't change the result, but would like to suggest that ITIS, which like The Plant List or the non-functional COL is outdated, be excluded as well - MPF (talk) 23:44, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
@Andyboorman: also IOC (birds) and BSBI (plants) need to be added - MPF (talk) 23:59, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
@MPF: Sorry you missed the RFC, it was advertised on the Pump. I am not an immediate user, but I gather that it can be customised easily. Andyboorman (talk) 08:08, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
@MPF: It was also highlighted in MediaWiki:Recentchangestext(Reversed diff) (thus also visible on the Recent changes page) from May 13 up until today. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 09:24, 5 June 2022 (UTC).
  •   Comment COL have already been removed the 16 May. For ITIS if every one agrees, it is quite easy to remove it too. IOC and BSBI don't seems to have properties in Wikidata, therefore nothing we can do. Christian Ferrer (talk) 13:52, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
  Comment The "IBC" (International Bird Collection, was sold to eBird) site no longer exists, it now redirects to a section of "eBird" "only for suscribers", so, as "eBird" is already there, I propose to eliminate IBC from the taxonbar.--Hector Bottai (talk) 15:30, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

ITIS is regularly updated, but it is true that for many groups, it hasn't been updated recently. ITIS was a good resource in the early days of Wikipedia/Wikispecies, and The Plant List was also a good resource at the time it was released. It may be worth retaining taxonbar links to these databases for historical reasons (i.e., Wikispecies pages that haven't been updated in very long time may in fact be following ITIS or The Plant List). The taxonbar on excludes government run databases from non-English speaking countries. As Wikispecies is multilingual, it might be appropriate to exclude government run databases from English speaking countries (such as ITIS); or should non-English databases be included? It's certainly worth reviewing the databases supported by the Wikispecies version of the taxonbar. MoBotPF and PfaF aren't really taxonomic databases; they focus on uses of plants (as ornamentals in the case of MoBotPF). Steere isn't a taxonomic database; it's NYBG's specimen database. I'm not aware of any Wikidata properties for other specimen databases, but either Wikidata properties should be added for other major specimen repositories, or Steere should be excluded from the Wikispecies taxonbar (also, Steere links are currently broken, but that might be fixable). There are several databases for US states (not necessarily government run) which aren't very useful for Wikispecies: Calflora, Cal-IPC, CNPS, MichiganFlora, ODNR, WisFlora. Plantdrew (talk) 16:10, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

I'd certainly agree that government-run databases should be excluded, as they are not independent authorities, but may have government-sponsored national agendas inappropriate to an international site like Wikispecies - MPF (talk) 11:23, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Distinguished authorEdit

Hello friends! I'm planning to write a new version of the Distinguished author section we show next to the "Species of the month" section on the Main Page. The present one about Mary Agnes Chase was created way back in August 2019 and is based on an even older one created in 2016, so an update is long overdue. However there are more than 60,000 authors to chose from and I can't decide which one would be best. Any suggestions? –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 18:33, 6 June 2022 (UTC).

Maria Koepcke
Maria Emilie Snethlage
Pioneer women in Ornithology. Hector Bottai (talk) 20:54, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
George Washington Carver, The Peanut Wizard - just a thought. Andyboorman (talk) 21:00, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Adding Wikispecies links to the above authors, for the sake of consistency: Maria Koepcke, Maria Emilie Snethlage, George Washington Carver.
Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 00:58, 7 June 2022 (UTC).
Phycologist Kathleen Mary Drew-Baker (wikispecies: Kathleen Mary Drew), her research led to commercial cultivation of Nori. --Thiotrix (talk) 08:54, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
Richard Pyle (Wikispecies: Richard L. Pyle), not only the author of a lot of taxa and articles, he have also other competences such as the developpement of the Pyle stop, he has competences in computer database systems for biodiversity information, he won the second place of 2015 en:Ebbe Nielsen Challenge, and he is involved in Zoobank. Christian Ferrer (talk) 10:46, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

──────────── Thank you for all of your suggestions. I think I'll write a "Distinguished author" template for all of the above author's, and then present each of them on the Main Page – one after another – for about a month or so. The templates will all be listed on the Wikispecies:Distinguished author page within the next couple of days so that you guys can check them out and make improvements before they are "published" on the Main Page. Again, thanks! –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 00:05, 15 June 2022 (UTC).

Vernacular names of languages without ISO codeEdit

For languages without ISO code (mainly indigenous langages of people with lesser internet presence) is not possible to add their vernacular name of a species to {{VN}} template, and the procedure mentioned in the template documentation and help page only tells how to add the language for a language already added to MediaWiki core (and thus already with ISO code), but not for more excluded languages without such ISO codes. This technicality worsen (in Wikimedia in general, not just in Wikispecies) the situation of exclusion of "non mainstream" languages in the internet and common knowledge.

Meanwhile these langauges do not get their own ISO code and added to MediaWiki translations, is possible to add their VN word below the VN template (in the VN section) to preserve and spread their own vernacular name of a species? Onwa (talk) 16:47, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

@Onwa: ISO 639-3 codes are quite comprehensive for "non mainstream" languages. There's even one for the en:Sentinelese language, of which almost nothing is known by any non-Sentinelese. What language are you wanting to include? It may be listed under a different name in the ISO (we don't know what the Sentinelese call their but language, but if we did, the ISO listed name and code would likely be changed to reflect that). Plantdrew (talk) 01:13, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
It's chaná language. There isn't any ISO language code assigned to it yet. The last native speaker created with the help of a linguist some years ago a dictionary which contains some entries about the native names of some local species. There is a work made by some individuals based on that dictionary called "Plantas medicinales del pueblo chaná" on the internet. Onwa (talk) 22:56, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Sofia PereyaslawzewaEdit

Sofia Pereyaslawzewa and Sofia Perejaslavtzeva are definitely the same person. Also may be spelled Pereyaslavskaya, and first name can also be Sophia or Sophie. She was quite prominent in 1890s and early 20th century. Merging needs to be done, but her official name and spelling need to be determined. Does anyone have any suggestions. Neferkheperre (talk) 18:07, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

The usual accepted transliteration is Sofia (or Sofiya) Mikhajlovna Pereyaslavtseva (coincides with the modern ISO 9 standard System B); Pereyaslawzewa is a transliteration from Russian for the German-speaking texts, Perejaslavtzeva is another possible alternative variant, but not modern one (not ISO). Sofya is not absolutely correct; Mikhaylovna also permissible. Anna Pavlova IFPNI Staff (talk) 22:20, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

If (when) we have consensus on the preferred spelling, I'm happy to do the redirects, here and on Wikidata. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:25, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Since we haven't gotten any consensus yet... I'm leaning towards "Sofia Mikhailovna Pereyaslavtseva" personally, but I'm honestly not satisified myself this is necessarily the best transliteration at all. (especially since IFPNI Staff already gave what the ISO 9 spelling would be) Some English-language books. journals and websites seem to prefer "Sofia [Sof'ia] Mikhailovna Pereiaslavtseva" (e.g. The Biographical Dictionary of Women in Science), while this website on Turbellaria for instance prefers instead "Sophia Mikhailovna Pereyaslawzewa" (noting she used "Sophie Pereyaslawzewa" in French articles). Monster Iestyn (talk) 21:54, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

New Species wiki user question- large species listEdit

For genus Crepidotus, I noticed there were only 3 species listed. There are hundreds according to Species Fungorum] (search crepidotus). Would it be proper to include the entire list (minus varieties) in the Species field? Mariasmesserly (talk) 20:21, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Not all the list, as many are shown as synonyms, for example Crepidotus alpiniae. Andyboorman (talk) 21:37, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Desktop Improvements updateEdit

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Jing Wang authorEdit

The Jing Wang author here Template:Wang et al., 2016 (ichthyologist, Yunnan University), doesn't seem to be the same as here Template:Li et al., 2019f; Template:Li et al., 2020f (mammalogist, Shandong University), neither the same as here Template:Alström et al., 2018 (ornithologist, Beijing University). Author page and first template created by @Haps:, seconds by @Neferkheperre: and third by myself. Different subjects, affiliations and co-authors. Any clue? I tend to create a Jing Wang (ornithologist) for my editions. Thanks. Hector Bottai (talk) 11:15, 25 June 2022 (UTC)


My question: When adding a name to the VN Template, should I add the refs for the names, and if yes, should that apply retroactively (For example, Instead of adding אִי, should I add אִי[1])? פרצטמול (talk) 16:49, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

No need refs in VN. For more Help:Vernacular names section. Regards, Burmeister (talk) 17:45, 27 June 2022 (UTC)


  1. אִי" in מילון בעלי־חיים - נכר (Animal Dictionary- Abroad), Terms of the Academy of the Hebrew Language,, 1972.

Fish fossil illustrationsEdit

Hello, In 2019, a Natural history museum uploaded half their collection of fish fossils. I am unaware how much of the species described are already present on Wikispecies (or how much Wikispecies delves in paleontology), but I thought it might be interesting for some contributors here. Here is the category on Commons where you can find the images. Unfortunately we titled the files according to catalog number (as fossils undergo frequent name changes), but we are on our way to changing that. Flor WMCH (talk) 16:29, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Forgot the mention : we added bibliographical details and as much metadata as we could (stratigraphy, type status, ...) as we could to make it useful.--Flor WMCH (talk) 16:31, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Publications templateEdit

Okay, can someone clarify to me whether we're supposed to be using the {{Publications}} template or not in taxon author pages? The template's documentation explains (at least in English) that it "should not be used", but then I've noticed MILEPRI for instance adds the template to taxon author pages regardless of this notice. Monster Iestyn (talk) 17:43, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

I use this template because it is in use and works correctly, I have been doing it for years, I did not know it was obsolete. If it should not be used, it should be removed and the community will indicate which one replaces it. Saludos.--MILEPRI (talk) 21:05, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
The tempalte has a major issue in that it creates a section title that cannot be edited (that is, the [ edit ] link). We don,t care for that with tempaltes like {{Eponyms}} because those sections can handle having no content (the category substitutes for that, can we could even do some fancy coding to import category contents directly), but with a section that is supposed to be edited, this is frankly unacceptable. Circeus (talk) 22:04, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, I took that to be the basic problem with the template... unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any workaround for that I can find, if any at all. Monster Iestyn (talk) 22:13, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
Would it be possible run a bot to replace and then delete this template ? Burmeister (talk) 23:40, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
  • I think you may obtain the wanted result with a substitution of template, e.g. I made a test there: User:Christian Ferrer/sandbox3 if you use {{subst:User:Christian Ferrer/sandbox3}} you obtain the addition of that content, and when the page is saved the section is editable. Christian Ferrer (talk) 07:17, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
However note that this will not solve the potential issues for where {{Publications}} is currently transcluded. Christian Ferrer (talk) 07:32, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
Note also that, though I'm not 100% sure of that, a substitution template may also be called from the MediaWiki:Edittools, e.g., by taking the exemple with my sandbox, something like <charinsert>{{subst:User:Christian Ferrer/sandbox3}}</charinsert> should add, when the page will be saved, the editable section =={{int:Publications}}== + {{Inc}}. Christian Ferrer (talk) 07:58, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Pairs of PDFs for references where only one is correctEdit

I'm working on a tool to extract references from Wikispecies, and have come across a page where the references have more than one PDF each, but only one PDF is correct. The page is Attelabidae and what seems to have happened is that someone has mistakenly thought that files like and are the same because they share the same filename "legalov033.pdf". They aren't, and this has created a bit of a mess. Just flagging this in case anyone is willing to fix this page. I don't know how widespread this problem is. --Rdmpage (talk) 01:25, 5 July 2022 (UTC)