Pigsonthewing

Page access question

Hello! I have a question about Wikispecies that I feel you'd be knowledgeable about. I'm interested in accessing roughly 91 Full protected pages to correct about 500 tracked syntax issues that I'm knowledgeable on correcting and not able to access at this time, and wondered if Wikispecies offered any sort of temporary Adminship to users with a trustworthy track record for accessing Full protected pages for specific corrective tasks, --OR-- if Wikispecies admins temporarily lowered page protections for this sort of thing?

I've done it both ways elsewhere; Lowering on Wikipedia (with the assistance of Primefac), and by temporary Adminship (my successful nom) at Wikivoyage last fall. I'm not looking to be an admin long term or to interfere with any typical admin tasks if going that route here, just seeking temporary access to some pages that I don't currently have access to. Inquiring what the typical route for something like this is here since every wikicommunity is a little different. I'm happy to clarify any questions you might have.

Hope you are having a nice holiday weekend, Zinnober9 (talk) 03:51, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

Hello @Zinnober9: I think that any of the Wikispecies' administrators would be rather reluctant to lighten the protection of the pages you refer to, since some of them are located in the MediaWiki- or other high-risk namespaces. However, you are welcome to request a temporary administrator-ship here: Wikispecies:Administrators#Requests for adminship.

–Best regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 15:03, 26 May 2025 (UTC).

Seconded. If that fails, I can use AWB, so if there are standard changes I can make them for you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:32, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

Great, thank you both for the info. Will start that process in the next few days and see how it goes. Cheers, Zinnober9 (talk) 00:26, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

Template:VN

Hello! Template question for you. One of the changes in your update to Template:VN today introduced a claimed issue of an unclosed div to most pages using the template, but the template page itself is not reporting any errors, so something I'm not spotting or understanding is blocking it from reaching the end of the template to close.

On the pages using this template that are reporting issues, they appear to have empty language parameters stated, and the error clears when something's written eg:
|en= (error)
|en=engvar (clean)
Also VN with no parameters stated at all is also reporting this error.

Is that something you know how to account for and adjust? I'm not very familiar with template logic and the fix I made for the unclosed boldings and wonky language ig statement, while it did clear a few bolding issues from this template, didn't clear this div issue as I'd hoped. Zinnober9 (talk) 18:22, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

That's annoying; but no, I can't see what's causing it.

Thanks again for your earlier fixes, BTW. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:47, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

If it helps with debugging, even the single-entry version on the Sandbox causes the error. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:03, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

You're welcome. I have a lead on this div issue, but have some loose ends to track down first. VN was done correctly though. Zinnober9 (talk) 00:30, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

Long story short, {{Flatlist}} has a quirk that causes closing issues when it encounters empty or invalid parameters.

My discovery here and then asking Jonesey95 questions on enwiki led to this discovery and they discovered a similar issue existed on enwiki as well since the Flatlist template is a near equivalent there.

The relevant discussions to this (on Enwiki):

• Jonesey95 conversation
• Flatlist (enwiki) request.

I'm going to make the VN sandbox version with Jonesey95's changes live due to these conversations, and the Template:VN/testcases behaving as expected. Will leave a talk page comment documenting why this change was done since it's a little atypical.

Shouldn't break anything new, and will fix the 36,500 some pages with the claimed unclosed div. The pages currently not displaying correctly due to cases like 1,2, 7,8 (ie no text in the boxes) won't be affected by this, and won't be reporting any lint errors, so will likely need to be found via a Category page like "Pages using Template:VN with unrecognized parameters" at some point. Zinnober9 (talk) 08:29, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for keeping me abreast of what's happening, I'll reply on the Flatlist talk page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:48, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi, I see you adjusted {{VN}}'s flatlist usage back as it had been, any particular reason why? I haven't seen any solution for this flatlist issue yet, and the missing end tag report is repopulating based on this change. I don't object to the change in idea, just not fond of the current state of the flatlist template and the error it reaches in VN this way.

Would going forward (here on species) with the {{Startflatlist}} idea you asked about on enwiki be a reasonable action and then just separating the double duty template into two single focused templates, using startflatlist on VN to bypass this error from the existing flatlist? Zinnober9 (talk) 00:48, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

Apologies; that was inadvertent and I have reverted the relevant part of my edit. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:32, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

Ok, just checking. Thought it was possible that you were aware of some update or change to flatlist that I wasn't, and wanted to be kept in the loop for that conversation if something had changed. Thanks for the reply. Zinnober9 (talk) 20:54, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

Pasam Nutan contributions

Hi! Some of the names proposed by the user have not been formally published and there are no records in Google searches or in more specific catalogs (such as ASW and RDB). All should be checked for validity before further editing. Regards, Burmeister (talk) 18:56, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

I'm not aware of any consensus that requires us to keep badly formatted pages in preference to better-formatted pages, regardless of the validity of the taxonomy. You may nominate for deletion any pages you feel you should. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:00, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

Exactly the validity of the description needs to be confirmed! Naja kodaguensis, Calotes tribonensis or Hyla thotiensis do not exist! They are nomenclaturally invalid. Burmeister (talk) 19:04, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

Mostly done

Hello, I'm aware my admin level expires this week. Thank you for allowing me to clear up these syntax issues here on Wikispecies. I don't foresee needing any extension and fine with it expiring as scheduled later this week.

The remaining issues that I could foresee doing anything with are ones that I don't understand how to access/adjust, and four I don't logically know how to fix, but I'm considering nominating for deletion as unused templates. I'd be interested in knowing if you know how to access the first, and if you have an opinion on the second.

The access/adjust issues are dealing with what I'm going to call "translation boundaries" of 8-10 page sets (original -> translations). These make up the majority of the remaining Missing end tag/stripped tag errors. I asked Tommy here, but I see he's been busy the last two weeks (tbh, so have I). If you happen to know how to access/adjust these, great, if not, I'll let them sit, and possibly direct someone later one who could adjust them with what needs adjusting.

The other issue is relating to four templates that are unused; I don't know how to correct the wikilinking errors in the taxonomy feline series. I asked their creator three weeks ago if they were still desired, but haven't heard back. Is nominating them for deletion based on their unused status (created 2021 and don't appear to have ever been used) at this point in time a reasonable action or would that be too pushy? The five "Don't edit this line" subtemplates used within the feline set, while clean, would also be nominated since they are only used with this feline set. I'm fine with ignoring all nine of these too since they are an isolated set and not being transcribed elsewhere. Any opinion here?

Thanks and hope you are having a great weekend, Zinnober9 (talk) 22:54, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Translation matters are a dark art to me; maybe ask on Wikispecies:Translation Administrators' Noticeboard?

I have deleted the unused templates. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:03, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

Thank you. It's been pretty quiet over there since my comment about something else 3 weeks ago, but maybe a bigger comment will catch some eyes. Zinnober9 (talk) 12:18, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

It's the same on the main VP - this is a very small community compared to many other Wikimedia projects. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:37, 30 June 2025 (UTC)