Wikispecies talk:Templates/Archive 1

Feeding behavior

Q: Would food (what something eats) go under Behavior? Also: One thing that I often find missing in very general discussions about particular species is what eats them, and what competes against them. Where would that sort of info go? [[User:GK|gK ¿?]] 11:00, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Ecology would probably be a useful heading for that, it could go beyond habitat and where the species is is found. In wikipedia I've noticed frequently that details that aren't given a clear category to live in end up stuck in semi-fitting places. Identification would also be a good template/heading to implement. While possibly redundant to morphology and behavior, it synthesizes the information into a more useful form. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gryphus (talk • contribs) 05:36, 17 April 2006.

Examples of good articles

Are there any exemplar species pages that I could be referred to to see what makes a great Wikispecies page? - 220.237.30.150 12:33, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

List of Taxonomic Templates

-Can someone please help me in compiling a reference for all the taxonomic templates we can use at wikispecies? - 220.237.30.150 21:40, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

{{Vertebrata}} {{Mammalia}} {{Lonchophylla}}

To the left is a tool box. Click "Special pages". From that page select "All pages". In the Namespace box, select "Template". Click Go. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:34, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for that, UtherSRG. :) I thought that Special pages was only for moderators and stuff - maybe the Template pages could be advertised a little on the Wikispecies:Templates page - as it is, it's more of a style guide, I find. - 220.237.30.150 02:53, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

handling and captivity

There should be a template for handling and captive care. While that would seem to duplicate what's typically found in a wikipedia article, things like recommended dosage of drugs for chemical immobilization of an animal would not be found in a general article, nor would it interest the general reader. To someone measuring hormone levels in a wild population by taking blood samples, say, to determine if pollutants are affecting said hormones, chemical immobilization and handling is a very pertinent subject.

By keeping a professional "feel" to these pages, and linking to the wikipedia article whenever possible it would help keep the hobbyist who swears that the cat food they fed their friend's lizard was the perfect diet separate the professional who can cite a paper on genus varanus nutrition.

Also literature and communication about diets and captive care of animals is fractured and often inconsistent. I would love to see a mention of a species, then a list of what facilities it's kept at, and who does what in their keeping, and why. The cat survival trust, not well maintained but a great idea, lists where each cat is found in facilities all over the world, and that was actually very helpful when I wanted to observe a live jaguarundi.

Species Template

Go here and review this template: Template:Species header--Gangsta-Easter-Bunny 22:24, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Previous items being considered

Structure hereafter will not be implemented

Do not add this information to wikispecies. Add to the appropriate Wikipedia and direct there.

question:Why not including species.wikimedia into wikipedia with "models/template"? Morevoer features for species (Zea) correspond to genre (mays) and subspecies (mexicana) which could be different accross subspecies. You should collaborate with the world seed-bank.

MORPHOLOGY: Give a precise description of the morphology and explain what discriminates this taxon from its sister-taxa. This point should also include a picture or illustration (preferably from, or uploaded to, the Commons).

GENETICS: Characteristics, known genome or other important facts to the genetics of the taxon.

PHYSIOLOGY: Any information that is of physiological and non-genetic relevance.

BEHAVIOUR: Give information on the behaviour of members of the taxon, if useful.

RESILIANCE/REPRODUCTION/DEVELOPMENT: Give all facts that fit into the subjects of reproduction and development.

PHYLOGENY/FOSSIL RECORD: Give information on the phylogenetic knowledge about the taxon.

HABITAT/ENVIRONMENT/ECOLOGY/CLIMATE: Give information like spatial needs or the climate zone which the members of the taxon prefer.

MEDIA: images, maps, diagrams, videos, etc.

ECONOMIC IMPORTANCE/SIGNIFICANCE: from the perspective of humans.

DISTRIBUTION: geographically and in terms of countries.

CONSERVATION STATUS/THREATS: if useful.

OTHER: any information you think is useful and doesn’t fit into other fields.

REFERENCES/EXTERNAL LINKS: experts, links, or literature.

HANDLING/CAPTIVE CARE: Live capture methods, chemical immobilization, housing, breeding, handling, and care in captive situations.

seeds and cultural rentability, main usages

Globals interest should be interest in a common reference for :

• informations about productivity,it could be usefull for seed productivity and vegetal product rentability. Database are available:

http://faostat.fao.org/site/567/default.aspx#ancor http://www.fao.org/nr/water/aquastat/main/index.stm

• information about alimentary and vitamins composition,it could be usefull (already disponible at wikipedia sometimes)
• and informations about usages (alimentation, homéopathie, phytotherapy, shamanism, ethnology...)

Template for redirection needs

Sometimes it needs to redirect from WikiSpecies page to WikiPedia. For example, to make reference to biologist, not include in "Taxon Authorities" List

We keep Taxon Authorities in house. So don't make a redirect directly to wikipedia. If you add [[Category:Taxon Authorities|surname, firstname]] at the bottom of the page, it will automatically be added to the database. Also when you see Thorell as author, there is no need to add the full name, we will simply make a redirect from Thorell to the page with his full name. -Kempm 09:49, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

It needs! Section Vernacular Names is not full correct place for link to Wikipedia, I think. As to species, corresponding Wikipedian page may be titled by binomial name. Link from Wikipedia to Wikispecies uses so beatiful banner. Let's made the same here (for link in opposit direction)! It may have different colors belongs to languages or unit table. --Arachn0 07:58, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh sorry, I misunderstood. The Vernacular Name section is not there to provide a list with common names but it's more an Interwiki list. A list that should point to the Wikipedia pages of your country. In nomenclature there's only one name that is the right one and that is the binomial (latin) name. If there's no page for the taxon on your wikipedia then there should be no link to it. See for a discussion about this: Wikispecies:Village_pump/Archive_29032006#Interwikis The idea of the vernacular names section is that the programmers move it to the left bar, some day, just like you see on the wikipedia's. --Kempm 08:30, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

When taking connect with programmers, tell'em that it maybe at least 4 situation in EVERY language:

Native Wikipedian article______________Native Wikipedian article

present___________________absent

Native common name exist___________________1___________________3

Native common name not exist_________________2___________________4

Or, it's no difference? It would so fine kick'em through Internet to accelerate! %)))) Maybe, they will formate draft Variant of the Wikipedian link as a template to insert manual? --Arachn0 11:45, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

-) I believe User:Ucucha is the one that has contact with the developers/programmers. I also believe from the current admin's he has worked here the longest. I will send him a message and show this discussion, maybe he has a little update, and more information. --Kempm 12:13, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Also take a look at Meta:Wikidata. This is a project that is being worked on and wikispecies should fit into that (as I understand it) --Kempm 12:45, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Currentevents-url

If an admin changes the above page to Wikispecies:Templates, then there doesn't have to be a redirect from Current Events. 63.86.151.246 18:50, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

thanks, done Lycaon 20:55, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Overlapping with Help sections

This page is overlapping with help sections and maybe out of date? I think, we should clean this page up and make this only list of templates and previews. – linnea (talk) 17:25, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

I second that, especially the "How a taxon page content should be structured" section. All of the content there is covered in better detail on the pages in the "Help:" namespace. Actually, the lack of detail here and differing terminology (Synonymy vs. Synonyms) was causing some inconsistency. --Georgeryp 02:37, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Online reference templates

I know the instructions on this page say, when possible, to list actual publications (NOT websites) but it should also mention the templates available to cite online references/databases like: Template:ITIS, Template:PLANTS, Template:CWD, Template:CWDsp, Template:GRINgenus, and Template:GRINnomen. --Georgeryp 02:07, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

'Species' microformat: proopsal to add to templates

Please see: Wikispecies:Microformat which proposes to add microformat mark-up to templates. Thank you. Andy Mabbett 10:35, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Template:VN

I requested 2 weeks ago for whoever is able to to update Template:VN to do so as I wanted to add vernacular names to the various articles in Ewe ISO code:ee and Akan (ak). There has been no response so far. Is it because no one tends this template, or only certain languages are allowed on Wikispecies?--Natsubee 11:49, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Natsubee, there was a response. I added ee when you requested it. I indicated that it had been done on my talk page and on the talk page for template VN. Does it not work? I see you added it to Panthera leo‎ and it seems to work as far as I can tell. I could have made and error. As to Akan, I do not see any evidence that you had requested that earlier. I will add that now. --Open2universe 12:00, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, it is definitely working now.--Natsubee 00:09, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

The ideal Wikispecies page contradicts stated VN guidelines

Hi, as a newcomer I am grinding through the help section, to understand the do's and don'ts and I think the "ideal" Lonchophylla orcesi page contradicts what is stated about VN names right above the example. It is stated that the VN names section only shall contain names that are linked to wikipedias. In the xample the only VN name given is the "en" one, and the only iw link is to "nl" Wikipedia. For me, that seems to be a contradiction.-- Slaunger 00:56, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

This "ideal" page was the ideal page in prehistoric wikispecies. It's probably outdated. At the time we chose this example we had only one section vernacular names that served two purposes, linking to wikipedias, and giving vernacular names. Now those purposes are found in two separate sections. I think we need a better "ideal" page. At one time we were thinking about choosing a featured article (daily, or weekly). For that purpose we first wanted to nominate Panthera tigris. Perhaps that's a better example for being "ideal". --Kempm 23:17, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

100% agreement, the tiger page is much better than the bat page. I'm going to go ahead and change the link to panthera tigris. EVula // talk // ☯ // 02:21, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

OK, now it is clearer to the newbie here. However, is the new ideal page really ideal? If I look at Help:vernacular names section examples are given where the VN template is immediately followed by the interwiki links. That makes sense when cross-reading the two sections. However, in the Panthera tigris page this section is interrupted by the references sections, which I do not think is very furtunate as it makes it harder to doublecheck the relations between the vernacular names and the interwikis. I think it is more instructive to move the interwikis in front of the references section, although that is contra normal conventions on the Wikipedias. Alternatively, the references section should be placed before the VN section, but that is equally odd in the presentation of the page in my opinion. References should be last.

I am trying to built up an ideal plant species page template for myself on my user page before I start messing around in here. I would like to get this template right before I start copying it all over.

One last detail in the ideal page, which I wondered about. Why does the page link to itself? That gives no meaning IMO.-- Slaunger 22:03, 16 December 2007 (UTC)My mistake, it's OK. -- Slaunger 22:08, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Template:Blocked is out of order

The {{Blocked}} template is very messy after the past ten or so edits, and needs to be fixed. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 16:31, 22 December 2014 (UTC).