Wikispecies:Administrators' Noticeboard/Archive 2015

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There are two new requests at Template_talk:Languages. Thanks for your attention. --Murma174 (talk) 16:19, 18 August 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Resolved.Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 18:08, 18 August 2015 (UTC).Reply[reply]


Could an admin please have a look at these changes by an IP. Doesn't appear to be vandalism, but IMO these templates shouldn't be changed by IPs, but by registered users only. (Actually by admins only) --Murma174 (talk) 16:06, 21 August 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The edits are now reverted, and the IP have a one year global block from editing on any Wikimedia wiki. Please note that the block was made by a Meta steward, rather than a Wikispecies' administrator or bureaucrat. The main reasons for the global block is that the IP edited using an open proxy and/or zombie, as well as in an intimidating manner and (though not on Wikispecies) promoting the use of very inappropriate user names. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 00:14, 25 August 2015 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Ngo V. Tri

Please rename Ngo V. Tri to Ngo Van Tri. --Murma174 (talk) 06:26, 23 August 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

 Done. Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 00:20, 25 August 2015 (UTC).Reply[reply]


Several Special:Gadgets aren't working. Please add [ResourceLoader] in MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition (admins only) --Murma174 (talk) 07:02, 28 August 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

 Done. Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 20:28, 1 September 2015 (UTC).Reply[reply]

User (again)

The discussion started here

I'd call this an edit war. Unfortunately the IP is not willing (or able) to participate in a discussion. My suggestion was, to block him/her. Anyway, we need a solution! --Murma174 (talk) 17:58, 28 August 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

In terms of the taxonomy of the dingo see this article Crowther et al., (2014). However, it seems not to be cited by the IP contributor. My suggestion is a permanent block on the "IP" page with a clear and polite invitation to re-register in the conventional manner, but also he/she should give an undertaking not to engage in edit wars and be open to discussions and advice. This undertaking can be made directly to the admin or crat who performs the block to keep it off the "front page". Andyboorman (talk) 18:23, 28 August 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
seems not to be cited by the IP contributor No, but by me there where it belongs --Murma174 (talk) 19:46, 28 August 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I would like to move the rest of this conversation here also if there are no objections, I would insert it in this topic before discussions here. For one I wish to keep it all together, and second this is where it belongs. Faendalimas talk 19:57, 28 August 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
On the topic at hand though I actually find the case put by Crowther et al unconvincing, but only because they have misinterpreted the rules a bit, in their discussion. However they would seem to be the most recent review of the situation and should be followed. Opinion does not matter only published reviews. However, with this user, he may be correct, but he needed to cite the source. As for blocking this IP, it is not hard to get another IP and I would rather try to establish communication with them. Get them to get an authenticated account and learn to edit correctly. I don't want to push them away, but we do need them to edit correctly. I think we need to exhaust all possible ways to explain this to them before we permanently block. Just my thoughts. Cheers Faendalimas talk 20:13, 28 August 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I recently contacted @Maxim: on his Wikipedia talk page; see User talk Maxim: Wikispecies issue. He is admin and bureaucrat on both enWP and Wikispecies, and a native speaker of Russian. Hopefully he can be able to better communicate with the user, since the IP number belongs to a Russian ISP provider.Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 08:17, 29 August 2015 (UTC).Reply[reply]
We seem to have another new editor (User:Pqqq1) who is reverting everything the IP changed. There may be an underlying edit war between these two. As for permanently blocking IP, we never do that. The most we do is 1 year and we can always renew the block if it returns again. But right now I'm not endorsing a block yet until we hear more from the IP or the IP refuses to discuss. OhanaUnitedTalk page 00:09, 30 August 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The main problem is IMO, that the IP does not participate in any discussion. He/she just changes content without reference. --Murma174 (talk) 05:49, 30 August 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
One option to put it more clearly to the ip may be to make the changes ourselves, correctly and citing the Crowther paper (if we feel we can follow that nomenclature), and placing a message reflecting this on the talk page of the relevant entries within Canis, then put a link to this on the ip talk page. See if that encourages communication. I agree with @OhanaUnited: no block yet. I am also hoping that @Tommy Kronkvist:'s efforts to contact through @Maxim: may also be successful. Cheers Faendalimas talk 13:51, 30 August 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Consider that Maxim hasn't been around for a year, I won't count on it. OhanaUnitedTalk page 03:19, 31 August 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That is true @OhanaUnited: its a bit of a long shot. As is establishing communication. Since the pages involved are very focused at this point, ie some Carnivora, we could also put a low level protection on those pages temporarily (ie authenticated users only) to try to get their attention. This would be a little less of an attack on our part but still maintain the integrity of those pages while hopefully getting their attention. Isn't one of the Wikidata editors that visits here Russian, I could be wrong there. I am trying to give this editor benefit of the doubt, and am assuming they mean well. I do not get the sense this is vandalism. Cheers Faendalimas talk 03:55, 31 August 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Just a short note: It is true that Maxim hasn't been editing anything on Wikispecies for a long time. However, I entered the message to him at his English Wikipedia (enWP) talk page. He was last active on enWP earlier this month, thanking for receiving a Bureaucrat's barnstar… :-) It is somewhat of a longshot anyway, I agree to that. Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 20:18, 31 August 2015 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Been forgetting to look in here for a few days. From the Village Pump "The IP obviously wants to tell, that Canis dingo, Canis familiaris, Canis lycaon and Canis rufus rank in the taxonomy as species and not as subspecies. I tried a wording on the Canis page as "disputed species". Please have a look and correct" — I'd agree that Canis dingo, Canis familiaris are not valid species (and dubiously valid even as subspecies, being as they are human selections, not natural evolved taxa), but Canis lycaon and Canis rufus are increasingly viewed as distinct species: see e.g. en:Eastern wolf and en:Red wolf (both articles fairly well referenced). - MPF (talk) 19:50, 31 August 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

"I'd agree that Canis dingo, Canis familiaris are not valid species (and dubiously valid even as subspecies, being as they are human selections" - agreed, this is my issue with the Crowther paper, under the code human constructs are not meant to be assigned a taxonomic rank at all. Can call them a variety if you want but that's not a rank anyway, just a convenience label. Hence I am thinking to set it the way we feel it should be, protect the pages (low level) which may encourage the ip user to actually talk to us. Cheers, Faendalimas talk 19:59, 31 August 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]


The IP (now logged in as User:188259ihj) seems to have stopped making unverifiable edits, so this matter can probably be considered closed. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 09:04, 16 September 2015 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Agreed Faendalimas talk 13:10, 17 September 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Back again

He deleted content from Canis_lupus_dingo I had to roll it back he deleted the template in the taxonav. I saw he has been contacted in Russian on the talk page, but I get the impression he does not read it. Maybe he is an editor on the Russian Wikipedia? if we can link the accounts, maybe that is an option? Am running out of ideas that do not look really harsh. Cheers Faendalimas talk 18:56, 22 September 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you for notifying. I've sent the user another warning. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 18:31, 26 September 2015 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Back again again

The user is now blocked. See for instance Canis lupus diff. and his/her User talk page.
Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 22:07, 25 October 2015 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Issue with Rana

Ok bringing this up here as I don't wish it plastered everywhere. There has been a fairly major ongoing argument on Wikipedia over the names Rana vs Lithobates on WikiPedia that I have put to meditation (HERE) I was a little unimpressed that one of the users started using Wikispecies as a reference point and justification since the relevant parts of our page have not been updated in 6 years and are way out of date. Although I am sure no one was probably planning to do anything right now for this genus I would suggest we await the outcome of the mediation at WP before we do anything. My own view is that basically the published taxonomy and nomenclature supports the use of Lithobates for the American bullfrog and relatives. However best we wait and see. Cheers, Faendalimas talk 13:10, 17 September 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sounds good. (As s parenthesis – since it's not really an issue for the Admin's Noticeboard – Dendrobatidae might need some looking into as well, when there is time. Quite a lot of the Wikispecies' information regarding the dendrobatids and their close relatives is somewhat dated.) –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 15:19, 17 September 2015 (UTC).Reply[reply]
I am starting work on Ranidae its a big job so bear with me. Its a mess. I also have a paper that is very good for higher taxa of amphibians from zootaxa, it seems the suborders are no longer being used etc. PDF cheers Faendalimas talk 23:43, 21 September 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
First stage done sorry about that,m pages moved and names fixed, ensured nothing orphaned by the process.... for easy all pages effected at tagged with hidden category: [[Category:Rana_Repairs]]. They will need a number of minor fixes etc if anyone want to do some of it, in particular the synonimies, references etc. I will do am using awb for parts of it. Cheers Faendalimas talk 01:00, 22 September 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for the work so far. I'll start to help out in a day or so, when I have more time. Regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 01:06, 22 September 2015 (UTC).Reply[reply]
Hi sorry I have been unwell hence have not finished the Lithobates will get to it this week. This brings us in line with Wikidata and the French Wikipedia which is considered the best for amphibians by amphibian biologists. Cheers Faendalimas talk 10:43, 1 October 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

hlist styling


Please can someone import the styles for hlist from en.Wikipedia. This is needed for {{Authority control}}, as discussed at Template talk:Authority control#Styling. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:10, 21 October 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Pigsonthewing: Did this get done? —Justin (koavf)TCM 03:50, 29 October 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Koavf: As far as I know, nope, not yet. I very briefly looked in to it a few days ago, but didn't really get the hang of it. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 09:59, 29 October 2015 (UTC).Reply[reply]
@Koavf and Tommy Kronkvist: No. You can tell by comparing the layout of {{Authority control}} on my user page, with the same on my en.Wikipedia or Wikidata user pages. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:54, 29 October 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Pigsonthewing and Tommy Kronkvist: This should just about do the trick, right? —Justin (koavf)TCM 08:10, 24 December 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, I thinks so. Thanks – and Merry Christmas! Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 08:27, 24 December 2015 (UTC).Reply[reply]
@Koavf: Thank you. That has indeed "fixed" the visual appearance in the {{Authority control}} template, but by using "dot" characters, not the correct list markup - and the fix is not available to other templates. We need to import the CSS code mentioned above, in order that the solution meets accessibility guidelines, and is available generally. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:26, 24 December 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Pigsonthewing: I'm not sure what you want me to do: I don't know how to import CSS direcly in MediaWiki nor do I understand how this is less accessible. I want to help but I don't see what the problem is. Do I need to port over w:Module:List? —Justin (koavf)TCM 15:15, 24 December 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The styles for the class "hlist" need to be copied from the CSS on en.Wikipedia (see en:MediaWiki:Common.css) to whichever is the appropriate style sheet(s) on this wiki. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:38, 26 December 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

───────────────────────── @Pigsonthewing: See here. —Justin (koavf)TCM 15:04, 26 December 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Koavf: That seems to have done the trick; thank you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:52, 26 December 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Category deletion

Can somebody look into deleting Category:ICAZ? I'm pretty sure it's a typo for Category:IZAC. Circeus (talk) 00:15, 5 November 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Resolved.Thanks for notifying. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 01:15, 5 November 2015 (UTC).Reply[reply]

The above discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this archive.