André Koehne

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Automeris exentricus

This is strange... Automeris excentricus only get 2 google hits, (and only on pt.wikipedia), while Automeris exentricus gets over 140 hits, indicating this is actually the correct spelling? Dan Koehl (talk) 08:50, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

The species name is spelled Automeris exentricus on animaldiversity.org, https://www.biolib.cz, caterpillars.myspecies.info, sinbiota.biota.org, Arctos Database, datos.sndb.mincyt.gov.ar, and insektoid.info. Dan Koehl (talk) 08:47, 27 July 2018 (UTC). I think the spelling Automeris excentricus on pt.wikipedia may be wrong? Dan Koehl (talk) 08:50, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Btw, this species is not included in the list at Automeris. Dan Koehl (talk) 09:24, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

@Dan Koehl: and @Tommy Kronkvist:, please translate if don't understand above:

Mais uma vez agradeço a vocês pela atenção.

Eu de logo vi que havia um erro de digitação; etimologicamente "excentricus" vem do latim (significando "fora do centro"). "exentricus" não encontra nenhuma justificativa para tal grafia... Obviamente, não iria contrariar tais fontes abundantes, não tivesse resolvido pesquisar pela grafia em latim "excentricus" e não houvesse encontrado a única fonte verdadeiramente científica, do Muséum national d'histoire naturelle.

A origem do erro, penso, deva ter sido derivada do Catalogue of life (COL), a meu ver um singelo deslize de digitação que, a partir de então, foi copiado pelos demais (inclusive o bot que criou o artigo na sv-wiki).

Isto não é raro ocorrer. Muitas vezes fontes se repetem e, quando a primeira delas erra, o erro se multiplica; veja o exemplo dos resultados da pesquisa em português para as variedades de "tangerina": nelas se diz que uma de suas variedades é a "GTDH-alfaesterase", na realidade duas enzimas... O erro derivou de vandalismo na pt-wiki...

Enfim, O artigo na sv-wiki seguiu o erro do COL, e isso deve ter se repetido nas demais. Voltando a ressaltar: não existe forma latina para "exentricus", é um erro que o "Muséum national d'histoire naturelle" resolveu... (e este não é, claro, um problema aqui da Wikispecies, mas sim da sv-wiki). Grato sempre, André Koehne (talk) 11:45, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Now, the bad translation:

Once again I thank you for your attention.

I soon saw that there was a typo; etymologically "excentricus" comes from Latin (meaning "out of the center"). "Exentricus" finds no justification for such spelling ... Obviously, it would not contradict such abundant sources, had not resolved to search for the Latin spelling "excentricus" and had not found the only truly scientific source, from the Muséum national d'histoire naturelle.

The origin of the error, I think, must have been derived from the Catalogue of life (COL), in my view a simple typing slip that has since been copied by the others (including the bot that created the article in sv-wiki ).

This is not uncommon. Often sources are repeated, and when the first of them errs, the error multiplies; see the example of the results of the Portuguese search for the varieties of "tangerine": in them it is said that one of its varieties is the "GTDH-alphaesterase", in fact two enzymes ... The error derived from vandalism in pt-wiki...

Anyway, the article in sv-wiki followed the error of the COL, and this must have been repeated in the others. To re-emphasize: there is no Latin form for "exentricus", it is a mistake that the "Muséum national d'histoire naturelle" solved ... (and this is not of course a problem here of Wikispecies, but in the sv-wiki).

Thank you always, André Koehne (talk) 11:45, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

@André Koehne and Dan Koehl: For reference: A search for "Automeris exentricus" on BHL renders only one hit, but in that document only the genus name Automeris is present: the full specific name "Automeris exentricus" is not mentioned at all. A BHL search for "Automeris excentricus" renders 25 hits but with the same problem: the full specfic name isn't mentioned in those documents either... Catalogue of Life does not list Automeris excentricus at all. In comparison, in the 2011 and 2012 editions of Catalogue of Life the taxon nameAutomeris exentricus is listed as a provisionally accepted name, but after that (i.e. 2013–2018) the taxon name is not listed at all. The Global Lepidoptera Names Index ("LepIndex") lists Automeris exentricus Bouvier, 1936 as a junior subjective synonym of Automeris jucundoides Schaus, 1906.^(link) The reason for this is said to be that the original genus given by Bouvier is "unconfirmed". The taxon name Automeris excentricus is not mentioned by LepIndex at all. Best regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk)‚ 16:36, 27 July 2018 (UTC).

Então! Creio que você desvendou a origem do erro, Tommy... Alguém que, no Natural History Museum escreveu à máquina errado! O datilógrafo certamente não sabia latim... André Koehne (talk) 22:28, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

My bad translate: So! I believe you have uncovered the source of the error, Tommy ... Someone in the Natural History Museum wrong wrote in the typewriter! The typist certainly did not know Latin... André Koehne (talk) 22:28, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Friends @Tommy Kronkvist and Dan Koehl:, please see other species: en:Dendraster excentricus, Amorphophallus excentricus, Asticcacaulis excentricus, en:Hebetancylus excentricus, Coscinodiscus excentricus, Gambierdiscus excentricus... and more, more, more species wrote eXcentricus (like in Orthotylini, Thysanus, etc.)... I don't believe all then are in mistake... Sorry my bad English, and the insistence. Tks. André Koehne (talk) 13:41, 3 August 2018 (UTC)