Abraham

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Vernacular names

Hello Abraham. In regards to your edt of the Felis silvestris catus page, please see the Help:Vernacular names section guideline and the now ongoing discussion at Wikispecies – Requests for Comment: Vernacular names, take two. Kind regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 11:33, 10 September 2019 (UTC).

Greetings. If several people vote for you as a squirrel, will you be a squirrel? Writing Polish animal names with a leading uppercase letter in this case is a spelling error. Is it about mentioning these names in Polish in this list at all costs, or about mentioning the name in some abstract language? Holy Mother Logica, pray for us! Ciao! Abraham 12:52, 10 September 2019 (UTC) (The edit was moved here from User talk:Tommy Kronkvist#Vernacular names, since it is easier to follow a discussion between several parties if it is kept on the same page.)

I'm not sure what you mean by "as a squirrel"; perhaps it is a Polish idiom that doesn't translate well to English, or an English idiom I'm not familiar with? The closest reference I can find is in Russian, where "Крути́ться как бе́лка в колесе" roughly translates into "spin like a squirrel on a treadmill", i.e. to be incessantly bustling about, being constantly occupied with various concerns. Sounds like a positive trait to me, however perhaps that's not what you mean? In any case I hope and believe that all users voting in any of our polls do so using their own free will, judgement and experience. Also, no one should vote for "me" or any other person: they should vote for (or against) the question discussed by the poll, and not for (or against) the persons involved in the discussion.

All that being said, I argue two things:

1. The "Requests for Comment" discussion (linked above) is still ongoing. Until it is finalized the guidelines stated in Help:Vernacular names section should be followed. This is a fairly straightforward thing to ask for, since all guidelines should be followed, until changed. That's the whole purpose of having guidelines in the first place. If we don't follow the policies and guidelines we might as well scrap them altogether, however then we would have chaos. That's not a good thing. If the guidelines change, then we change how we edit: not the other way around. Upon the matter of the Request for Comment issue, I wrote the following as a reply to user Kusurija: "One problem is that as a database, Wikispecies should handle all data of a certain type in the same way. When possible, all author pages should be formatted in the same way, all categories should be constructed in the same way, all templates should follow the same standard, and so forth. This is also true for the list of vernacular names. Wikispecies can currently be presented in any of 32 different languages, and for the vast majority of them "Title case" (as desribed in Help:Vernacular names section) is correct. Sadly this may become a problem in some of the languages, but I guess the majority rules... Another example of this is how we have agreed to format author names. As explained in Help:Author Names all middle name initials should be written without spacing, i.e. written as "Gerald A.H. Bedford" and not "Gerald A. H. Bedford". This strikes many users as odd and some – including many of those with English as their mother tongue – even find it outright wrong. Nevertheless we have had this up for vote too, and the outcome of the poll clearly states that the majority prefers the format without spaces. This may be wrong in some languages, but since there is only one version of Wikispecies and that one version must simultaneously serve all the people on Earth regardless of their language, we will sometimes have to make compromises. It's of course easier on Wikipedia where there is one WP version for each language, and every single Wikipedia is supposed to be monolingual. Unfortunately, here at Wikispecies we don't have that luxury. Best regards, Tommy Kronkvist."
   That was back in March 1, 2019, and I still abide by that statement.
2. The Help:Vernacular names section guideline clearly states "Only include one name per language, which should generally be the standard name used in official publications in the relevant language (such as the IOC World Bird Names list, or the Botanical Society of Britain and Ireland plant list). An exception can be made for languages which commonly use multiple writing systems." Hence, please refrain from adding more than one vernacular name per taxon. Thank you.

Best regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 08:20, 11 September 2019 (UTC).

Image on page Osphronemidae

Hello! Veil-tail variation of Siamese fighting fish is ornamental breeding form. She is not a typical representative of family. --Сергій Зінченко (talk) 19:03, 28 December 2020 (UTC)