Talk:Charles Wyville Thomson

Template:W. Thomson, 1878

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Nefer,

Why have you make this template as W. Thomson? After our agreements it should be Template:Thomson, 1878. You can't change our agreements without a vote for changing. PeterR (talk) 17:39, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

yes, these non-standard templates should be condemned to avoid duplicates--Estopedist1 (talk) 18:34, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

I made that one in 2015, when many of our formats were not quite set yet. Also, in most all literature he is cited as Wyville Thomson, less often as Wyville-Thomson. I should change this; would you suggest Wyville Thomson, or Wyville-Thomson. I rather hesitate on Thomson, because of several other Thomsons. Neferkheperre (talk) 19:04, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

definitely {{Thomson, 1878b}}. Per enwiki and per other same authority ones, see Charles Wyville Thomson#Publications--Estopedist1 (talk) 20:00, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

I was thinking more WoRMS, author citations, particularly barnacles and reference citations, not just from wiki projects. Neferkheperre (talk) 20:29, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

• In addition, what probably I am trying to say is that treatments of his name seem to indicate that Wyville is not middle name, but part of last name. Neferkheperre (talk) 20:33, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

discussion about the status of the name part (ie Wyville) can be done in enwiki. Enwiki uses {{DEFAULTSORT:Thomson, Charles Wyville}}. I renamed this template.--Estopedist1 (talk) 05:30, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• Maybe slightly premature. I had planned to present this earlier, and change to Template:Wyville Thomson, 1878 but family stuff came up. See;
• regium Charles Wyville Thomson in the World Register of Marine Species (Regioscalpellum regium entry, it won't behave), Hoek, 1883, Pilsbry, 1907. Apparently in his era, he went by Wyville Thomson, because there were other Thomsons publishing then. This happened with several people. Carl August Nilsson-Cantell found himself in University with other Nilssons, so he took his initials plus -tell to form Cantell, and disambiguate himself. Then there are several extended families and dynasties, such as the Sowerbys, Aurivillius, Grays and Rimsky-Korsakovs. Occasionally these are confusing. Neferkheperre (talk) 16:15, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

discussion is opened in enwiki, see en:Talk:Charles Wyville Thomson. Also note that all other related templates are affected (eg {{Thomson, 1876}} and {{Thomson, 1876a}})--Estopedist1 (talk) 17:17, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, I shall follow it and contribute. Neferkheperre (talk) 18:05, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

┌─────────────────────────┘ Extremely late, but everything I can see on en.wiki and everything it cites as references (e.g. Dictionary of National Biography) indicates that "Wyville" is not a family name but a given name; apparently he was baptised "Wyville Thomas Charles Thomson" and legally changed it to "Charles Wyville Thomson" when he was knighted in 1876. Those works may be citing him as "Wyville Thomson" in order to disambiguate from the many other Thomsons as already stated, but it does not necessarily follow that Wyville itself has to be a family name. (It could also be that the fact he named himself as "C. Wyville Thomson" in his works might have made some contemporaries think it was a family name by mistake, but I'm just speculating there) Monster Iestyn (talk) 17:11, 11 October 2022 (UTC)