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Deletion of Clarke, 2011

Please delete Clarke, 2011. It appears to be a template, but Template:Clarke, 2011 already exists. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 08:46, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also Sattler, 1987 - same as Template:Sattler, 1987. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 08:48, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Also Say, 1822 - same as Template:Say, 1822. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 08:50, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Nice find. Weird that these existed. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:07, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Spam attacks

Attention fellow administrators Accassidy—AlvaroMolina—Andyboorman—Burmeister—Circeus—Dan Koehl—EncycloPetey—Faendalimas—Floscuculi—Franz Xaver Geni—Hector Bottai—Keith Edkins—Koavf—Mariusm—MKOliver—MPF—Neferkheperre—OhanaUnited—PeterR Pigsonthewing—RLJ—Thiotrix—Wikiklaas

I need to go offline after a loong Wikimedia session online, but would like to make my fellow admins aware that we've lately had several spam pages created by what appears to be some kind of spambot. Please have a look at these accounts (listed alphabetically):

All of them were created yesterday or today, with the exception of "AldaHoskins" which was created October 27, 2019. None of them have made any edits until now. Together with Thiotrix I've blocked them all (one is also globally blocked) and deleted their edits, however new ones keep popping up every few hours or so. Perhaps we need to administer some sort of IP range block, but right know I'm too tired to wrap my head around such technicalities. :-) Anyway, please keep a vigilant eye out for new spam pages, and respond accordingly. The recent Block log and Deletion logs may also be useful.

Ever faithful, but currently signing off: Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 07:15, 15 January 2020 (UTC).[reply]

The User creation log is also informative. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 07:35, 15 January 2020 (UTC).[reply]
Thanks @Tommy Kronkvist:, you write they didnt make any edits, but you also wrote you deleted their edits, I cant see any edits, so I guess its the first. Why I ask, is casue this could be an occassion, where the spam filter may be helpful, if its still active... Dan Koehl (talk) 11:38, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, was lazy, after checking the Deletion logs I saw the edits. Dan Koehl (talk) 11:41, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Dan: To be precise I wrote "None of them have made any edits until now" and yes, those edits I've deleted. :-) This includes the "AldaHoskins" account created in October last year, with zero edits until yesterday when suddenly they created 8 new spam pages. Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 17:03, 15 January 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Misplaced translations

Please delete Help:Reference section/tr/tr, Help:Reference section/tr/tr/en, and Help:Reference section/tr/tr/en/en. I was trying to remove the first one from translation (not sure how it was added) and it didn't work. None of them should exist in the first place. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 06:25, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 08:48, 16 January 2020 (UTC).[reply]

IP vandal

Please block 109.160.117.2. All vandalism. Masumrezarock100 (talk) 14:56, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Masumrezarock100:  Done. The IP 109.160.117.2 was blocked 15:36, 28 January 2020 by admin Accassidy. Note that it also got globally blocked about 20 minutes before that. Best regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 19:11, 28 January 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Extra translations

Moved to Wikispecies:Translation Administrators' Noticeboard.

Ongoing vandalism

Hi. Please block 2605:E000:D409:3F00:B1E1:6F02:DAE2:2C7D. Thanks! —Hasley (talk) 00:46, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Thanks. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:52, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

TheGoodIndian

I would appreciate an independent review of my pecautionary block of User:TheGoodIndian.

I noticed yesterday that they had added several vernacular names which appeared to be incorrect. In partucular the last one they added translates (according to Google) as "India is at risk". Given the heightened political tensions in India at the moment, an immediate block and revert seemed prudent. TheGoodIndian has now questioned the block on my en.Wikipedia talk page. I have advised the that they can still edit their talk page on his project. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:32, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Since you're soliciting the feedback:
  • A block seems appropriate, since there was clearly some editing that was inappropriate.
  • Indefinite is not what I would have chosen, since he could easily get the message after a few days or whatever.
  • I would recommend posting to his talk page explaining what you wrote here. An indefinite block with no post to talk (other than the welcome message) seems unhelpful.
  • I disagree with your reasoning as "vandalism-only", when edits like this are not obviously vandalism. They may be incorrect (I don't know anything about Bengali) but it's not obviously trolling or soapboxing or something. "Inserting False Information" would be accurate and appropriate.
As a recommendation, I would invite you to post to his talk and ask what's up and why he's here on Wikispecies, etc. I think the outcome of this indefinite block with no message will be that he leaves the site for good, whereas a little bit of effort to call-in a user who is not entirely a vandal could pay off with someone providing much-needed info in Bengali. I personally would love for him to help translate. Broadly speaking, I think you are as always generally well-intentioned, competent, helpful, and somewhat... brusque? short-tempered? impatient? when interacting with a user with whom you have a conflict but I very much appreciate you having the humility and maturity to ask for feedback: it's a lesson I definitely need to learn in self-reflection and awareness. @Pigsonthewing: —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:48, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Dealing with your points in order:
  • Indefinite does not mean "infinite", it means "until the issue is resolved". We should use indef. blocks more, not less. Generally speaking, fixed-term block allows a mal-intentioned editor to bide their time then resume harmful actions.
  • Good point. I will post a note on the user's talk page linking to this discussion, rather than repeat it.
  • I was torn between "persistent vandalism" and "vandalism only" as the only two near-suitable pre-sets. I should have used "other".
I have no prior conflict (nor any interaction that I recall) with TheGoodIndian
-- Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:53, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I thought up till now his name was derived from a John Wayne quote.Neferkheperre (talk) 01:33, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you all for bringing this up – it may be handy in the case of future, similar incidents. In the broader scope of things, I've long thought that the terms "Persistent Vandalism" and "Vandalism-Only Account" are too limiting and/or misleading. How about we simply merge them into a single reason "Vandalism"? Or at least change "Persistent Vandalism" to "Vandalism" (keeping "Vandalism-Only Account" intact)? –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 13:55, 3 March 2020 (UTC).[reply]
I think "Vandalism" is enough: why define it as "vandalism-only" when very few vandals are literally only doing vandalism? It just states and implies something that's not true. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:19, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

┌─────────────────────────┘ Earlier today the user added a request on their user talk page to get their user account unblocked. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 15:00, 6 March 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Following an explanation posted to my talk page on en.Wikipedia, and subsequently copied to the above talk page, I'm happy to have unblocked. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:27, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, sounds good @Andy. In the meantime (and with a ping to @Justin) I've pruned the blocking reasons by replacing the "Persistent vandalism" and "Vandalism-only Account" reasons with the more straightforward "Vandalism" item. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 09:04, 10 March 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Localisation of templates

Arabic Ar templates are not editable , I have put Arabic translation for some items on its talk pages , Please help me to put these translations on its pages . I have no permission to do that Omda4wady (talk) 07:53, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Omda4wady: Please keep discussions about translations on the Translation Administrators' Noticeboard! –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 22:09, 12 March 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Article " فيروسات " is not editable

Please help me to edit this page Omda4wady (talk) 07:55, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Omda4wady: Please keep discussions about translations on the Translation Administrators' Noticeboard! –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 22:08, 12 March 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Request for creating an article regarding last White Giraffe in Earth

Dear Admins , Reference to news. We have no images for this specie which slaughtered by poachers. Omda4wady (talk) 09:33, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Omda4wady: This isn't really the sort of thing to post to this noticeboard but yes, it would be great if we had a photo. Do you have a source that has freely-licensed media for this species? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:41, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Koavf: I am searching for free license media. I think OTRS team can help us Omda4wady (talk) 09:46, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Tweeted: see @Wikispecies. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 02:02, 16 March 2020 (UTC).[reply]
No issue with something on this but the giraffe in question was an albino not a species in its own right. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 22:15, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

┌─────────────────────────┘ @Scott: True, so from a taxonomical viewpoint two albino specimens being killed in Kenya is a fairly unexciting event. I chose to mention it on Twitter anyway, since a tweet may direct new readers to Wikispecies and as long as it doesn't involve pure clickbait that's of course a good thing.

Talking about taxonomy: in the article they list the taxon as Giraffa reticulata which is presented on Wikispecies as the subspecies Giraffa camelopardalis reticulata. Wikimedia Commons offer +300 different images of that particular taxon (most in subcategories), however as far as I could see none of them depicts an albino specimen. Again that's not really an issue for Wikispecies either, since we normally wouldn't add a picture of any albinistic, amelanoid, (hypo/hyper)melanistic or leucistic specimens anyway. It would be a welcome addition to Commons though, for use on Wikipedia. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 02:04, 17 March 2020 (UTC).[reply]

@Tommy:. Yes I agreed with mentioning it somehow, but I did not want to see a page created for them, since we already have one for their species. A page for them is more a Wikipedia item than ours, though that would be their decision. Absolutely if appropriately licenced images of these animals can be added to commons would certainly be worthwhile for use on a number of pages on Wikipedia, or even Wikiversity. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 05:59, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please protect User:Killarnee

Please protect so that this page can only be created by administrators. Thanks, --Killarnee (T•1•2) 17:23, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Killarnee: Done. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:44, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Request for autopatrol for Pitke

Can User:Pitke please be granted autopatrol rights? Their contributions do not need to be reviewed (c.f. Special:CentralAuth/Pitke). Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 07:22, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Approved. See the equivalent Pitke user rights log for details. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 20:23, 23 March 2020 (UTC).[reply]

My Internet status, ad notam

All of my main ISP’s services are currently down, and I will not be able to do any real work around here for the next couple of days. Sorry about that. (Using my smartphone right now but for most of the admin stuff that’s not enough.) –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 18:08, 4 April 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Please delete blanked translations

Can an admin please delete the following pages? They are not translations, and since they were replaced with just "...", when looking at Wikispecies:Administrators/ru the "..." is shown instead of the English original for those parts.

Let me know if you have any questions. Posting here and not on the translation admin noticeboard because only translation admins who are also normal administrators can delete these. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 21:36, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done deleted the files. Dan Koehl (talk) 03:31, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Citation template RfC: closure needed

Wikispecies:Requests for Comment#Citation templates has had no posts for a month; could someone close it, please? I'm keen to get moving on its implementation. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:43, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Spam by Onroadzcars

See here. The account has added spam to the Village Pump and its talk page. Monster Iestyn (talk) 05:53, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Thanks/grazie/danke/gracias! —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:27, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Shastriji009

See here. So far they have done nothing but spamming in their own user talk page, of all places to spam. Monster Iestyn (talk) 18:16, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved. Thank you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:20, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism

Please block this ip. Thanks --Samuele2002 (talk) 23:58, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:12, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks --Samuele2002 (talk) 00:13, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism

Please block this ip. Thanks --Samuele2002 (talk) 23:24, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done by Burmeister --DannyS712 (talk) 23:44, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

User:Buttel0vers

Please block User:Buttel0vers Christian Ferrer (talk) 19:40, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Andyboorman (talk) 19:58, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

LTA from Wikipedia

This LTA from Wikipedia is vandalising Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 and using the vandalism links to vandalise Wikipedia (a common tatic). Can we have these edits redacted? --Randompointofview (talk) 01:20, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is starting to get out of hand. IP of vandal might need to be blocked. Also I would appreciate some help here.--Randompointofview (talk) 01:24, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The LTA is switching IP addresses, ask Enterprisey from Wikipedia if you need to learn more.— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Randompointofview (talk • contribs).
@Randompointofview: Who is causing the problematic edits? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:08, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It includes the IP addresses you just blocked. The LTA is taking advantage of the fact that the controls here are looser than on Wikipedia. @Koavf: --Randompointofview (talk) 02:14, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Randompointofview:  Done Thanks for being so helpful. It's faster in the future if you just post here instead of reverting over and over again and if you mention the person's username or link to the article in question. Good eye. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:17, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wikispecies:Nospam

Wikispecies:Nospam predates the addition of creation protection. Can I suggest that the titles listed on it, if they still should be protected from creation, be replaced with creation protection? --DannyS712 (talk) 10:57, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@DannyS712: Sorry if I'm just dumb here but what's the problem? I trust your instincts because you have good judgement. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:26, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Since 2007 (phab:T4919) there has been a proper way to protect pages against creation using the normal protection interface. Using proper creation protection means that the pages show up as protected from creation, rather than protected from editing. --DannyS712 (talk) 05:27, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@DannyS712: Still struggling some here. The Nospam page works and is faster than clicking on 54 pages and opening up their protection and amending it and then deleting the Nospam page. Is there a problem with this quicker solution? Sorry if this comes across as me being dense or snippy--I didn't get much sleep last nite. Just trying to understand. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:47, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Not dense at all - the no spam page works, it just means that the pages aren't registered as being protected against creation, and since it looks like some of those pages may not need creation protection anymore because the vandals targetting them are from a decade ago, it may not require 54 pages to be opened. If not, its fine, just wanted to make a suggestion --DannyS712 (talk) 22:25, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thumbs up emoji. Good deal, Danny. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:28, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Block 190.225.118.90

Please see Special:Contributions/190.225.118.90 - please block and nuke the pages created --DannyS712 (talk) 20:49, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Thanks. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:00, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Missed revisions to revdel

Can someone revdel these for defamatory content?:

https://species.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Severe_acute_respiratory_syndrome-related_coronavirus_2&oldid=7546329

https://species.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Severe_acute_respiratory_syndrome-related_coronavirus_2&oldid=7546270

https://species.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Severe_acute_respiratory_syndrome-related_coronavirus_2&oldid=7546261

 Done Thanks kindly. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:19, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Vandal

Please block Special:Contributions/141.164.62.17 --DannyS712 (talk) 01:03, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Global block. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:33, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Vandal

Please, block Special:Contributions/149.13.94.38. Thanks! Stanglavine (talk) 19:32, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Looks proxy. Stanglavine (talk) 19:34, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done global —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:18, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Autopatrol requests

Hi. Can I suggest that Jnovikov (Special:Contributions/Jnovikov) and Lofty abyss (Special:Contributions/Lofty abyss) be granted autopatrol? The former is a translator, the latter active in counter-vandalism. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 17:25, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done for both Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 23:36, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Name Change

Dear Sir,

My name has been catogarised as Bin Haji Ross Othman, Malay carcinologist Universiti Malaysia Terengganu, Kuala Terengganu, Malaysia

I would be pleased if you can change this to Othman B.H.R I would like to be indexed as an 'O' instead of a 'B'

Thank you — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Othross (talk • contribs).

@Othross: Catgories for the page Bin Haji Ross Othman are alphabetized as "Othman, Bin Haji Ross". —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:14, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Brownmanstan

See Special:Contributions/Brownmanstan. Obviously not here to contribute, not much more to be said here. Monster Iestyn (talk) 19:30, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked here should be a global block. Andyboorman (talk) 19:38, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

184.91.55.159

Please see Special:Contributions/184.91.55.159 - please nuke pages created and block --DannyS712 (talk) 00:13, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Andyboorman (talk) 15:06, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Andyboorman thanks, but generally ips shouldn't be blocked indefinitely DannyS712 (talk) 16:17, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I know but I will see how it goes. Andyboorman (talk) 17:15, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Andyboorman then can I suggest enabling talk page access? DannyS712 (talk) 19:28, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Andyboorman (talk) 20:13, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Translation admin

Can we have a Translation Admin get rid of an Arabic speedy deletion request. It has been around for days now and it is getting annoying. Thanks Andyboorman (talk) 15:06, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Andyboorman: I did request here: metawiki:Meta_talk:Translation_administrators#Translation-related_stuff_to_be_deleted_in_Wikispecies._Help_is_needed!. We have also discussion here--Estopedist1 (talk) 06:08, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Why did you request on meta? Deletions are done by local admins, and to delete translations it just takes an admin who is also a translation admin. The relevant page to delete is Translations:Category:Wikispecies/2/ar --DannyS712 (talk) 06:13, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
..and it is till waiting deletion, speedy or what! Andyboorman (talk) 10:47, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
ok I prefer to leave translation pages to the Translation Admins, but as this has been a while I have deleted it. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 11:03, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Normal translation admins like myself cannot delete translations - only admins can delete the individual translation units, and only admins that are also translation admins can delete whole translation pages --DannyS712 (talk) 11:04, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes am aware, fortunately this was a test page and not impossible for me, I am not a translation admin, I could not have deleted this if it was a full page. This case I could, I was just referring to my preference of usually leaving these types of pages to those admins who are also translation admins as you say. How many admins who are also translation admins do we currently have. Maybe we need to recruit some more? Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 11:11, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

┌─────────────────────────┘ok seems to be 3 @AlvaroMolina:, @Koavf: and @Tommy Kronkvist:. I believe Tommy has been unwell, I have not seen Alvaro for a while and Justin (Koavf) may be busy I saw he was having CU issues on another Wiki recently. So maybe we need at least one more to become an admin. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 11:18, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to have more translation admins around here. The barrier should be pretty low since there is so little content to translate. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:27, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
actually, we have 11 translation administrators, see https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics --Estopedist1 (talk) 06:21, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes but only 3 that are also sysops, was what I was getting at. Justin and Alvaro are also Sysops and Tommy is a Crat. By being both a Translation Admin and a Sysop you have a few more tools and need them to do these speedy deletes for translations. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 06:37, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

173.2.194.178

Please see Special:Contributions/173.2.194.178 - please block and nuke --DannyS712 (talk) 02:12, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Burmeister (talk) 02:22, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Need help from an admin

I tried to create Template:Species-2020-07 as a redirect to template:Species-2020-05 because that seems to be the most recent species template to exist, so I could remove the redlink on the main page. However, I cannot create it as I am not an admin, and that's apparently required if a page is linked to the Main page. So, there are two solutions: (a) make me an admin and I'll do it, or (b) have an admin do it. Since option (a) will definitely never happen, I'm requesting option (b)... SithJarJar666 (talk) 21:25, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done for now we need to make a few of these. Tommy has been away. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 21:41, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Faendalimas: Thank you! SithJarJar666 (talk) 21:50, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I will note that I created all of the templates up until December 2020, but they’re just redirects. They’re going to have to be filled out by someone else... SithJarJar666 (talk) 00:22, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

AutoWikiBrowser request

Wikispecies:AutoWikiBrowser/CheckPage/Guide says that this noticeboard is the correct place to request rights for AutoWikiBrowser (AWB). I am requesting these rights. I am an experienced user with AWB. I have AWB rights already in Commons, enwiki and etwiki. Thanks in advance--Estopedist1 (talk) 14:30, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Estopedist1: I don't object but do you have any idea of what you would do with the tool? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:39, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Koavf:, well usually I try to be as succinct as possible, but in this case I have to explain in more detail. Sorry for "info pollution". Some examples:
  1. if Foo category/template is gonna be deleted/modified (eg Category:Articles containing Japanese-language text) it is very laborous to remove it manually;
  2. correcting links from DAB pages using "Enable disambiguate" function. Very useful because I am working a lot with DAB pages;
  3. old user's (before about 2009) contributions which format is invalid, eg see "What links here" and headword "main page". Very effective is skip-function, because some old articles are already wikified;
  4. using append-function to add eg category or other structure at the end of article;
When doing above-mentioned tasks, AWB also provides to automatically fix deprecated templates, structures. But, of course, I am not gonna use it just to fix minor technical errors.--Estopedist1 (talk) 19:39, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This all seems reasonable to me. I'll see if there's more feedback. If no one writes anything, I'm happy to grant access after two weeks. Ping me if needed. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:25, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I support this @Justin:. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 20:55, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support from me as well. Andyboorman (talk) 12:10, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Koavf: 2 weeks passed and no objections. Thanks for supporters!--Estopedist1 (talk) 08:20, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Estopedist1: https://species.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikispecies%3AAutoWikiBrowser%2FCheckPage&action=historysubmit&type=revision&diff=7616703&oldid=7437938 —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:25, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Koavf: thumbs up Great! --Estopedist1 (talk) 11:25, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pending request for patroller rights

Forgotten request? See Wikispecies:Patrollers#Requests_for_patroller_rights--Estopedist1 (talk) 04:57, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Request for autopatrol

I suggest that Abraham be autopatrolled - see Special:Contributions/Abraham. Lots of good contributions, trusted elsewhere --DannyS712 (talk) 12:44, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 16:16, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

One more: Special:Contributions/Fierodelveneto - translating stuff here, trusted as an admin and interface admin on vec.wikipedia, already autopatrolled for translations on meta and mediawiki.org --DannyS712 (talk) 10:56, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:59, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also Special:Contributions/轻语者 - translating stuff here, trusted on multiple wikis --DannyS712 (talk) 12:39, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done - Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 15:26, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also Special:Contributions/Killarnee - translating stuff here, trusted on multiple wikis --DannyS712 (talk) 22:08, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done - Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 22:33, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Invalid khw-translations

@AlvaroMolina, Koavf, and Tommy Kronkvist: to be deleted (by anonym):

--Estopedist1 (talk) 11:16, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Good eye. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 14:52, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong translation

MediaWiki:Type species/ko should be ko:모식종. SALAMANDER (talk) 14:44, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:41, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Backmoving

I corrected Template:Zoologischer Anzeiger.102.165, please backmove to correct title--Estopedist1 (talk) 09:28, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:38, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

one yet: Template:Journal of Natural History 48: 1817. Please backmove!--Estopedist1 (talk) 19:01, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Please make sure to use an ndash < – > between ranges of page numbers rather than a hyphen < - >. Thanks/grazie/danke/gracias. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:31, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reverting

please revert this translation stuff, see Special:Contributions/176.54.31.6 --Estopedist1 (talk) 06:32, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done -- Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:03, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Recent Pump Contribution

Please note the following addition by Thorpe Steven on the Pump. Familiar? Andyboorman (talk) 13:11, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

yes he also tried to comment on Dan's recent RfA at Wikidata. It was deleted as it was after closing. I will leave it to others to discuss this then decide what to do as a CU. Clearly would seem to be another sock of STh002. Which has a life ban. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 17:47, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Pigsonthewing: Traced this Sock Investigation record for enWP. Quacking? Andyboorman (talk) 18:57, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:33, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Global lock requested: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Steward_requests%2FGlobal&type=revision&diff=20143550&oldid=20143492 —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:42, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have added the contrinbutions list for Wikidata to the global request, for info here, which includes an attempt to alter the recent RfA involving Dan Koehl. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 01:04, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Stephen, if you're reading this, please just stop. It's embarrassing that someone half your age has to explain this to you but your behavior is inappropriate and your presence here is unwelcome. You have had many opportunities to be a constructive member of the community and you have refused, so it's time to just let it go. Do something else with your time on this Earth. If, as you've repeatedly said, this is project is a failure and you've been oppressed, why do you want to spend any time here? I'm sure you can manage some more constructive use of your time and knowledge. I can say with complete sincerity please go away and have a nice life. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:28, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest and fair, I have not noticed that Stephen has vandalized Wikidata, can someone give a diff, which shows bad edits on WD? Wikidata is pretty different from other projects, you open a window and submit a post, not much to discuss. But of course, if by purpose, you submit wrong info, you may create a large deal of damage. Has Thorpe really done that? Dan Koehl (talk) 19:54, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
on brief scan his edits on Wikidata seemed reasonable hence I did not call any of them into question, excep this late edt of your RfA which was only an issue because it was late. He is however globally banned for socks and hence this appearance as a new sock is a problem. Only reason I put the info there. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 20:35, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
for info Meta has locked this account meta:Steward_requests/Global#Global_lock_for_ThorpeStephen. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 01:14, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Stephen Thorpe

I would, in spite of the comment on mys recent RfA at Wikidata, still rise the question, if the WS community would accept a dialogue with Stephen? Some years went by, and who knows, if he is prepared to change his mind? Being a very problematic user, he was also very productive? IF, in the best of worlds, he would be prepared to follow WS rules, and accept consensus within the community, would anyone be will to give him a chance? Dan Koehl (talk) 16:30, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • I am a quite recent Wikispecies contributor, and I am not aware of what were the issues but I see his name in a lot of page histories, it looks like he was a prolific contributor. Personaly. As an experimented user of the Wikimedia projects, I have several hundred thousand contributions to my credit and I'm administrator in Commons, I am always sad when we are forced to banish involved contributors, and I will always be willing to give a second chance. So yes I would say ok for a second chance. That being said the more experienced Wikispecies community is more able to decide based on past experience with this user. Christian Ferrer (talk) 17:24, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Naive optimist that I am, yes. But I don't know how that would work and I am certain that it won't be a matter of me reaching out to him. (Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.) I am very much appreciative of a lot of Stephen's work but 1.) quite a bit of it was out-of-scope and 2.) he refused over and over again to play well with others. If he is willing to actually stick to our guidelines and not rage out on others, then of course, I would be happy to have him back. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:12, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I personally have no issue with it. I happen to know him from my work with the ICZN. However, I am also aware that there has been serious opposition to him being allowed back by the community in the past. So I am hesitant to discuss this with him without community consultation. That would have to include editors who are not admins who are well aware of Stephen's past. Unfortunately he is very capable of being a great contributor, but he does not play well with others in the past, hence his ban at Meta, EN WP and here. He has quite a record at the CU site as you know Dan and Justin. Personally I would welcome him back on conditions, he and I have our differences of opinion but I do consider him a colleague. I certainly respect many of his views on nomenclature and have even gone to him for second opinions in my own research. However, we are a community and that has to come first. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 20:41, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I too am bit of an optimist, but in this case with misgivings being a recipient of both his anger and attempts to impose his non-consensual vision for WS. I would also caution allowing him back on here without consulting admins and crats on other wikis - he is after all globally blocked and many of these blocks were first implemented prior to a global. For WS to act unilaterally may provoke strong reactions and cause unwanted adverse reactions elsewhere on WP. Of course we will need a Pump discussion and a vote as well. Andyboorman (talk) 06:58, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Request for autopatrol

I suggest that user:Path slopu be autopatrolled: see Special:Contributions/Path slopu. Doing translation stuff here. Translation admin in metawiki, see Special:CentralAuth/Path_slopu.--Estopedist1 (talk) 05:24, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 08:18, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Estopedist1 and Faendalimas: Hi greetings, thank you so much for your helps. Regards.--Path slopu (talk) 09:00, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Two (protected) deprecated templates to be deleted

  1. {{Syn}} #only used in non-main namespace
  2. {{Zfg}} #only used in non-main namespace

-Estopedist1 (talk) 06:32, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

{{Syn}} had protected already removed and I have done {{Zfg}} for you. Andyboorman (talk) 07:34, 5 August 2020 (aUTC)
The request was to delete the templates, which I have now done. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:52, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Candidates for speedy deletion

There are currently 212 items in Category:Candidates for speedy deletion - can we each try to deal with a few of them, please? aAndy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:49, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

See my comment on the Pump. Andyboorman (talk) 09:13, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
sorry for cluttering this category. I just mention that with en:Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser this mass-deletion probably takes some minutes. But, of course, you can check every invalid or out-of-scope Phytotaxa template one by one--Estopedist1 (talk) 14:01, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Don't know what is the best - get rid of them and recreate if needed or assess one by one! Thoughts? Andyboorman (talk) 14:22, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There is no need to be in such a hurry to eliminate all of these templates. In addition, some Zts marked for elimination as "out of scope" (as example {{Zt3406.67}}) are not out of scope, they just need some adjustments. Burmeister (talk) 14:29, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Moving this way as well. en:AutoWikiBrowser has been deleted wonder why? Andyboorman (talk) 20:40, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
correct link for AutoWikiBrowser: en:Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser-- Estopedist1 (talk) 05:24, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Estopedist1: and @Neferkheperre:. I'm noted that several ZT template about "erratum" are marked for delete, and were contested. Someone is opposed to reversing the markup to delete, as they are not out of scope. Since they need to be checked individually for permanence and corrections, it would be interesting to have more time to work on them, and the markings only fill the Category: Candidates for speedy deletion unnecessarily. Regards, Burmeister (talk) 16:59, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
if errata is related to Wikispecies content, then fix it in Wikispecies and the Zt-template in question can be deleted. I see that Zootaxa itself is fixed these errata in original documents, compare eg {{Zt3318.68}} and original PDF in Zootaxa (PDF-file)--Estopedist1 (talk) 18:24, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
user:Neferkheperre's opinion in Template talk:Zt3613.400 excludes my opinion. But, I still see that the linked PDF-file in question is changed according to Zootaxa's Erratum--Estopedist1 (talk) 17:22, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No it is not actually, I just checked the footer of the preview PDF, the error is definitely there: Accepted by B. Kondratieff: 26 Nov. 2012; published: 24 Month 2012 Monster Iestyn (talk) 17:31, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I found a way, how to deal with these Erratum Zt-templates. See solution {{Prieto & Rodriguez, 2012}}. If acceptable, all Erratum Zt-templates can be deleted, when the note of erratum is added to the reference template--Estopedist1 (talk) 05:46, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
In the text should be write Prieto & Rodriguez. PeterR (talk) 06:47, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The category is, at the time of writing, empty. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:46, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Elchin F. Huseynov and Elchin Fizuli Huseynov

Hello, could an admin delete Elchin Fizuli Huseynov to make way for Elchin F. Huseynov to be moved there? Asking for PeterR, since he says he doesn't know how to handle this. Monster Iestyn (talk) 14:41, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind, it's been resolved now, you can ignore this. Monster Iestyn (talk) 14:55, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Template GBIF

Could somebody with greater coding experience than me have a look at Template GBIF and enable it to look and function more like Template IPNI? My feeble efforts are on Micrantheum. I have unprotected the template, so if this needs to go back on then feel free. I got a request by Orchi on my talk page, but instinctive coding experience is not in my skills set. Thanks in anticipation. Andyboorman (talk) 07:21, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It may be necessary to have a discussion for the standardization of the template before modifying it, since we have two templates for the same site ({{GBIF}} and {{GBIFID}}), with different formats. And GBIF is not the only template with this "problem", maybe a more wide discussion on VillagePump is necessary. Regards, Burmeister (talk) 12:10, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps you are right, but we need functioning templates to discuss first, so my request should still hold. Andyboorman (talk) 12:15, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Burmeister: I have posted a discussion on the Pump. Andyboorman (talk) 19:12, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2500 unpatrolled edits

Hey everyone we need to get this under control. I have done some and added two users, one with 400000 cross wiki edits to autopatrollers. Could we all have a go at bringing this down please, maybe also have a look at some more editors who may be eligible for autopatrol group. We seem to be getting a lot of content corrector's among this who have many thousands of edits on other wikis. I think they can be given rights. Its just autopatrol and they are correcting typos and syntax. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 20:04, 6 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Of those 2500 edits, almost 1500 were by the two users that were just marked as autopatrolled - I have patrolled their unpatrolled edits. --DannyS712 (talk) 20:23, 6 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Other candidates for autopatrol might help. Here is a list of all users with at least 10 unpatrolled edits in recent changes (user names are under "actor_name"): 

MariaDB [specieswiki_p]> SELECT a.actor_name, COUNT(rc_id) FROM recentchanges rc
    -> JOIN actor AS a ON rc.rc_actor = a.actor_id
    -> WHERE a.actor_user IS NOT NULL
    -> AND ( rc_type = 0 OR rc_type = 1 )
    -> AND rc_patrolled = 0
    -> GROUP BY rc_actor
    -> HAVING COUNT(rc_id) > 10
    -> ORDER BY COUNT(rc_id) DESC;
+--------------------+--------------+
| actor_name         | COUNT(rc_id) |
+--------------------+--------------+
| KadenLikesMilk     |          112 |
| ReconnectBalkanMed |           99 |
| Bodhi-Baum         |           42 |
| JPLSilva           |           38 |
| TheImaCow          |           30 |
| Veliensis          |           14 |
| Syman51            |           14 |
| 要塞騎士            |           13 |
| Zeete              |           11 |
| PieterJanR         |           11 |
+--------------------+--------------+

Hope this helps, --DannyS712 (talk) 11:17, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for being offline

Hi guys. I'm very sorry that I haven't been able to log in to Wikimedia/species for a very long time, but my health is in poor shape. Sorry for any and all inconveniences this may have caused. I will probably not log in again for yet another few weeks, but will then hopefully be back in (at least close to) full speed.
–Kind regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 15:22, 21 July 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Best wishes and here's hoping. Andyboorman (talk) 16:03, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Stay safe and let us know what we can do for you, T. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:19, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
....take care of yourself and all the best. Greeting. Orchi (talk) 16:30, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Take your time and stay safe and healthy.Cheers.--Hector Bottai (talk) 21:26, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Get well soon. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:04, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hope you feel better soon! We need you here! Mariusm (talk) 13:19, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm reading now ... Get well soon and get stronger!--Rosičák (talk) 16:04, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Also reading, much too late, and I want to express my sincerest wish that you regain your health Tommy, and that you return soon! Dan Koehl (talk) 13:55, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A mess with two references

A little mess by user:PeterR. Careful overwriting is needed here:

--Estopedist1 (talk) 08:34, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Estopedist1: {{Hu et al., 2013a}} currently has twelve transclusions. If you'd like to orpahan it, it can be deleted. Then {{Zt3608.595}} can be moved. Or do you think (some or all of) those transclusions should show the new content? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:55, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Estopedist1: Did you miss this? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:29, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Pigsonthewing: of course not. I just give some time to user:PeterR to solve this rather complicated mess. If he doesn't care, I will move on-Estopedist1 (talk) 14:48, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • If nobody tells me I have make a mistake,how can I react. If people know something from making templates, they see that this is not a complicated mess. It is fix in one minute PeterR (talk) 18:17, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Mk-templates stuff finished

All templates are checked and OK. To be deleted:

  1. template:Mk1.7
  2. template:Mk2.1
  3. template:Mk3.1
  4. template:Mk3.13
  5. template:Mk3.23
  6. template:Mk3.37
  7. template:Mk4.1
  8. template:Mk4.23
  9. template:Mk5.1
  10. template:Mk5.31
  11. template:Mk8.1
  12. template:Mk8.11
  13. template:Mk8.17
  14. template:Mk8.31
  15. template:Mk8.43

--Estopedist1 (talk) 19:30, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If they have been redirected, there is no overwhelming reason to bother with deleting the redirects unless they are full-on wrongly named (i.e. unless the numbers don't correspond to the volume and page of the actual articles). Circeus (talk)
if these redirects are deleted, then there is no possibility to reuse them. And I think our goal should be to delete redundant and deprecated stuff--Estopedist1 (talk) 20:14, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
In the future, you can make less work for everyone by making sure you uncheck "Leave a redirect behind" when moving pages, this avoids having to go back to delete the redirect afterwards. Circeus (talk) 04:55, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Only admins have that checkbox though, Circeus! Monster Iestyn (talk) 05:25, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Request for translation admins

@Koavf: You are our only hope to clear cat:Speedy deletions. User:AlvaroMolina is not active and Tommy is ill. Actually, we urgently need 1-2 new translation admins with regular admin rights--Estopedist1 (talk) 04:48, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Teamwork makes the dream work. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:50, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Zootaxa

I could ask authorized persons to insert a translation formula for the term Preview several (13x) times in the template: {{int:Preview}} --Rosičák (talk) 15:31, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done template partially unlocked for Rosičák. Andyboorman (talk) 14:08, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

46.155.27.16

See Special:Contributions/46.155.27.16. Whoever it is appears to be vandalising pages on Wikispecies. Monster Iestyn (talk) 21:54, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Just came to report this myself. Please block! --DannyS712 (talk) 22:13, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like the IP's already been globally blocked, sounds like the same person was causing trouble elsewhere too. Monster Iestyn (talk) 00:02, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

46.155.12.175

Please block: https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/46.155.12.175 --Estopedist1 (talk) 05:39, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Andyboorman (talk) 10:51, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Language codes

I need to add labels for a couple of languages, so that they appear in {{Vn}}. On that template's talk page, I see some references to "#language:", but no link. Where do I add the labels? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 07:57, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have been confused about this myself. I tried to add some codes a while ago, but never really figured this out. Circeus (talk) 17:36, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Have you tried just adding them and seeing if it works? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:01, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I did; it doesn't work (languages are mad and nia). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:46, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
So these are parser functions, a la the babel one and these are all included in the software itself with mw:Help:Extension:ParserFunctions. I don't know of any way to manually add new entries to that without server access, so we'd need to open a ticket at phab:, I reckon. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:48, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks; ticket raised; see T261387. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:28, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Now working for Madurese and Nias; ticket has been closed. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:28, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Request for autopatrol

I suggest that user:Sabelöga be autopatrolled: see Special:Contributions/Sabelöga. Doing Swedish translation stuff here. Over 19k edits made in different Wikiprojects, see Special:CentralAuth/Sabelöga.--Estopedist1 (talk) 05:14, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done This frees up the unpatrolled queue. Thanks/tak. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:32, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Protected template to be deleted: Template:Spage

the protected template to be deleted: {{Spage}}. It was a really bad idea. Now unused, extinct--Estopedist1 (talk) 11:39, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done all users can edit. Speedy delete if you wish. Discus? Andyboorman (talk) 12:30, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Protected template to be deleted: Template:BrounMan

{{BrounMan}} is substituted. Thanks to User:Tommy Kronkvist/Template maintenance and user:Monster Iestyn!--Estopedist1 (talk) 19:08, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, about time this template was dealt with! One less thing for Tommy Kronkvist to worry about when/if he comes back too, hope he's well. Monster Iestyn (talk) 19:14, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Request for autopatrol: user:Ds2320

I suggest that user:Ds2320 be autopatrolled. Over 300 good edits in WS: see Special:Contributions/Ds2320. Also extendedconfirmed in enwiki, see Special:CentralAuth/Ds2320.--Estopedist1 (talk) 05:43, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:12, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Special:Contributions/Dqenwdbfklerwbfkeqrbtebklhgblfera

Please, block this user.--Turkmen talk 20:40, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:49, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Overwriting request

I can't fulfill user:PeterR's request because overwriting is needed. Merging article's history is probably not needed in these cases. Two overwritings, see User_talk:Estopedist1#Full_author_name_5. Thanks in advance!--Estopedist1 (talk) 17:30, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done: Javier Ignacio Arbea-Polite & José Antonio Gómez-Anaya Circeus (talk) 17:54, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism by IP

I assumed good faith for 45.4.243.102's first edits, but they seem intent on removing content on Cathartes burrovianus for no discernible reason. Isabelle Belato (talk) 15:09, 16 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have warned the Anonymous editor. Please keep an eye on future edits. Thanks. Andyboorman (talk) 16:24, 16 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Overwriting request

Luckow to be moved to Melissa Ann Luckow. I tried to trick using the redirect, but didn't work--Estopedist1 (talk) 18:32, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Burmeister (talk) 19:08, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

To be deleted

To be deleted. Stephen's legacy:

--Estopedist1 (talk) 08:46, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to be systematic and unique view to disambiguation. Eg similar Lepidoptera, Hemiptera pages/redirects also exist. Probably mass-deletion will be waiting--Estopedist1 (talk) 09:00, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

These are redirects of synonyms which are junior homonyms. I have renamed them into Cerylidae (Coleoptera) etc. --RLJ (talk) 10:29, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bot request is awaiting votes please

Hey everyone there is a bot request currently being voted on if people could attend to this Wikispecies:Bots/Requests_for_approval#SustBot cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 15:31, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Noting for the record that the request was archived to Wikispecies:Bots/Requests for approval/SustBot and was denied DannyS712 (talk) 03:39, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Mass-deletion of authority templates

These authority templates (User:Estopedist1/Varia_templates#Unused_authority_templates) are unused. To be deleted--Estopedist1 (talk) 06:25, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've refactored your list, to make it easier to process using tools such as Navigation Popups. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:14, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done. --Thiotrix (talk) 08:15, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lsjbot

Hi. I just came across Special:Contributions/Lsjbot - while they have only created 1 page so far, it doesn't match the layout of other pages and I can't find any bot approvals. Should the account be blocked? --DannyS712 (talk) 19:39, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Can you contact the person running the bot and explain the problem? Andyboorman (talk) 19:41, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I left a note on the bot's talk page. There was no talk page or user page disclosing who the operator is DannyS712 (talk) 19:44, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
See https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Lsjbot likely operated by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Lsj. Christian Ferrer (talk) 19:54, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have indef blocked the bot (which had made further edits) as unauthorised; with no prejudice to unblocking after a successful bot approval request. I note that User:Lsj has only made four edits on this project, none unrelated to the bot, and all in 2012. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:36, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

All for the best thanks Andyboorman (talk) 11:56, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Lsjbot has not to my knowledge ever done any editing on Wikispecies, nor do I intend it to do so. And the list of contributions linked to above appears empty. The bot reads Wikispecies when working on species articles on cebwiki, but there should be no edits. I don't understand what is going on. What offending edits has the bot done? Lsj (talk) 14:40, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If the list is empty, it's very likely because the edit(s) have been deleted. Christian Ferrer (talk) 16:09, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You can see the page creations at Special:Log/Lsjbot. --DannyS712 (talk) 17:16, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting, the bot created Argentina (isda) here after it has operated a sitelink move in Wikidata with the same text, and operated a page move under that name in ceb.wikipedia. Christian Ferrer (talk) 20:37, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Lsj: That you operate a bot that is editing without your knowldge is even more troubling. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:48, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I found the problem in the bot code. These edits were supposed to go onto cebwiki, where the bot was indeed running with my knowledge, and where I was monitoring it. The bot was logged in also to Wikispecies, but for reading purposes only, so I saw no reason to monitor that. I did what I thought was a small change to the code yesterday to cover some rare special cases. Unfortunately, that small change introduced a bug causing the bot to save a small minority of edits to the wrong site. The bug is fixed now. Sorry for causing you trouble, and thank you for spotting the error. Lsj (talk) 22:16, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Lsj: and others: well done, well spotting, mates! And the power of patrolling mechanism to easily see pecularities. Just a sidenotice: in order to cover millions of species (and maybe even higher taxa) articles in future, we definitely need helping by bots--Estopedist1 (talk) 04:44, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2601:644:300:4740:808D:1106:B5AF:C7E9

See Special:Contributions/2601:644:300:4740:808D:1106:B5AF:C7E9 - please block, vandalism --DannyS712 (talk) 04:08, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Thanks. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:33, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

75.138.88.122

Please block Special:Contributions/75.138.88.122 and delete the page(s) created. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 22:22, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:26, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Stephen sockpuppet?

We haven't had one in a while (well, none that I know of: I don't really keep tabs on it), but it's been pointed out to me that this "new" guy's style is kinda eerily similar. While I would have no qualms blocking Stephen, I'd like a quick sanity check (I'm asking that a lot recently...) before I do so. The message left on Estopedist1's talk page seems especially suspicious to me from a "brand new" user! Circeus (talk) 15:52, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The name chosen is offensive to many people and that is in itself a reason for a block/deletion. I tend to agree that this is a sock disagreeing with the removal of his template project. Andyboorman (talk) 16:24, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
On further thought, the inability to use indentation should have also clued me in. Circeus (talk) 16:24, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Circeus, hi! I'm here from an enwiki sockpuppet investigation - is "Stephen" the person referred to in this investigation? GeneralNotability (talk) 20:32, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@GeneralNotability: Yes, that's our Stephen. The "stho" is for "Stephen Thorpe". What happened? Did he escalate this up to meta-wiki? Circeus (talk) 21:41, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Circeus: he didn't show up at meta-wiki, but they showed up at enwiki and Pigsonthewing asked for them to be blocked as a sock (since several of his socks are blocked there too), I wanted to double-check his identity before blocking. GeneralNotability (talk) 22:10, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
As I noted on Estopedist1's talk page, Stephen's never been that good at not looking like Stephen. This has a lot of Stephen hallmarks on en: too (although I cannot even fathom to understand wtf he's trying to argue on en:template talk:Doi) Circeus (talk) 22:25, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Overwriting

To be overwritten: J. Vivant --> Jean Vivant--Estopedist1 (talk) 21:29, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done, including update of redirects. --RLJ (talk) 21:46, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Vladimir Vladimirovich Fedorov in blacklist?

I cannot create Vladimir Vladimirovich Fedorov, because it is in blacklist? And this name is not in MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist--Estopedist1 (talk) 07:48, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:23, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
For the record, this name matched the line .*(mattia|vlad|morleo).*(mattia|vlad|morleo)?.*(mattia|vlad|morleo).* in the Title blacklist on Meta-Wiki. A false positive has already been reported some time ago at m:Talk:Title blacklist#A false positive. Korg (talk) 08:40, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

181.137.184.74

Please block and nuke Special:Contributions/181.137.184.74 - creating bad pages --DannyS712 (talk) 02:29, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done by someone else. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:27, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism by 2600:1700:DC00:6D60:FC20:25CB:8560:25E7

See Special:Contributions/2600:1700:DC00:6D60:FC20:25CB:8560:25E7. Monster Iestyn (talk) 03:38, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:25, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

181.137.184.74

Please nuke pages created by Special:Contributions/181.137.184.74. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 00:07, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I've blocked that user for 31 hours as an emergency steward action, given no local admin was around, and the user kept vandalizing. Best, --Martin Urbanec (talk) 00:23, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done and increased block. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:12, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm back, at least to some degree

Hello friends! As I've mentioned earlier(archive) I've been ill for a while, but now I'm back. It will take some time to get up to speed though. Kind regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 17:00, 9 November 2020 (UTC).[reply]

....it's good, to see you back again. Wishing you all the best. Orchi (talk) 17:07, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Welcome Tommy, you were missed.--Hector Bottai (talk) 17:17, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Good to see you Tommy, cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 22:21, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Good to see you back, cheers. Andyboorman (talk) 10:18, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Welcome back DannyS712 (talk) 02:27, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Invalid translations

Please delete:

All are in English. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 02:55, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@DannyS712:  Done. Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 13:30, 15 November 2020 (UTC).[reply]
@Tommy Kronkvist thanks. Can you also delete Translations:Wikispecies:About/4/id please? DannyS712 (talk) 21:29, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@DannyS712:  Done. For future requests regarding translations, please use the Translation Administrators' Noticeboard instead, since regular admins cannot delete them. Best regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 12:25, 20 November 2020 (UTC).[reply]
@Tommy Kronkvist regular administrators can delete invalid individual translation units (i.e. the pages in the Translations namespace) if I understand correctly; its just the overall translations (like Wikispecies:Templates/es) that require an administrator who is also a translation administrator DannyS712 (talk) 15:22, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request for archives

At

please remove [[Category:Wikispecies user access levels]] from the middle of one of the discussions on each page. They are discussion archives and shouldn't be in that category. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 03:20, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@DannyS712: Resolved. By the way and as I guess you already know, the proper way to deal with problems like these is not always to remove the category call text string as such, but instead comment it out using a leading colon, like so: [[:Category:Wikispecies user access levels]]. Regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 13:51, 15 November 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Autopatrolling requests

Request for autopatrol: user:GeorgmentO

I suggest that user:GeorgmentO be autopatrolled. Over 400 good edits in WS. See Special:Contributions/GeorgmentO. Wiki-global contributions here Special:CentralAuth/GeorgmentO.--Estopedist1 (talk) 06:51, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 10:49, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Request for autopatrol: user:Guwusy

I suggest that user:Guwusy be autopatrolled. 1000+ good edits: see Special:Contributions/Guwusy. Wiki-global contributions here Special:CentralAuth/Guwusy--Estopedist1 (talk) 10:13, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 10:49, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Autopatrolling requests

Request for autopatrol: user:Papblak

I suggest that user:Papblak be autopatrolled. Over 500 good edits in WS, see Special:Contributions/Papblak. Global contribution: Special:CentralAuth/Papblak.--Estopedist1 (talk) 07:19, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Request for autopatrol: user:Eewilson

I suggest that user:Eewilson be autopatrolled. Over 390 good edits in WS, see Special:Contributions/Eewilson. Global contribution: Special:CentralAuth/Eewilson--Estopedist1 (talk) 08:20, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done  Done --RLJ (talk) 09:12, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

LTA, block request

Please block Special:Contributions/Armed Black Lives Matter. (global lock already requested, so this may become moot before being addressed locally). Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 03:40, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's already global locked so this request is moot now. OhanaUnitedTalk page 04:51, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion

Please delete Translations:Help:Contents/78/bn - not a translation. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 21:14, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done by RLJ --DannyS712 (talk) 16:08, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Catol-Hassler

The template {{Catol-Hassler}} no longer searches correctly now that COL has updated with a new infrastructure. This template links to thousands of taxon pages and so this is highly inconvenient. Can anybody fix the template? Best regards Andyboorman (talk) 13:51, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done by Fagus. Circeus (talk) 00:56, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ongoing lta attack - block needed

Please block Special:Contributions/2601:644:300:4740:F11A:40CE:77DC:7759. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 00:51, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Burmeister (talk) 01:06, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wikispecies:AutoWikiBrowser/CheckPage

Bandersnatch

I request my username be added to the list, so that I could fix typos more productively. Thanks. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 21:18, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@1234qwer1234qwer4: Done. Thank you for your assistance. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:44, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Pigsonthewing: Thanks! For now I was using Bandersnatch, a JS tool with similar functionality. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 22:50, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Special:Contributions/2001:8003:2435:5401:15F4:9F2A:3CF5:5872

Please block Special:Contributions/2001:8003:2435:5401:15F4:9F2A:3CF5:5872 - vandalism after warning --DannyS712 (talk) 05:34, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, please range block the /64 since they are changing ips: Special:Contributions/2001:8003:2435:5401:15F4:9F2A:3CF5:5872/64 --DannyS712 (talk) 06:29, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 07:46, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Block evasion

Special:Contributions/Hackerswilll is currently indefinitely blocked, but they are likely evading that block as Special:Contributions/199.216.68.2 - see recreation of Dixie D'amelio. Please block the ip, delete the page, and protect the page from recreation. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 17:30, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

MilvianBored

Block needed for MilvianBored (talk • contribs • block log • all projects) . Obvious sock is obvious of BarbosaLover (talk • contribs • block log • all projects) . Dylsss (talk) 17:50, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Already requested on Meta, as I couldn't find the noticeboard here. --Jan Myšák (talk) 17:51, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Locked, thanks. Dylsss (talk) 18:45, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ancient Greek Wikispecies

Hi! I created the maine page for Wikispecies in ancient greek which can be found here. Could you please add Ancient Greek (Ἀρχαία Ἑλληνική) to the languages template? Thank you a priori. PastelKos (talk) 00:06, 26 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@PastelKos: Done. Thank you for our contribution. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:58, 26 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Pigsonthewing: Sorry for bothering you, but could you change it from Ἀρχαία Ἑλληνική to Ἑλληνική. The ancient greeks wouldn't have called their language "ancient". I made a mistake. PastelKos (talk) 14:38, 26 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@PastelKos: No problem; Done. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:39, 26 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism by JuliusCaesarMan

Please block JuliusCaesarMan (talk • contribs • block log • all projects) . Regards. --Superpes15 (talk) 10:26, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked for a short period Andyboorman (talk) 09:24, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: also globally locked --DannyS712 (talk) 04:00, 3 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism by MarvinTheMartianDude

See Special:Contribs/MarvinTheMartianDude. Monster Iestyn (talk) 20:33, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked, cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 20:44, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Overwriting plus generally about disambiguation pages

Sweet (disambiguation) -- > Sweet--Estopedist1 (talk) 11:50, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I created the disambiguation page under this title because almost all links to Sweet are referring to Robert Sweet. Maybe the links to Sweet should be disambiguated. Korg (talk) 11:29, 2 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Korg: we always do the disambiguation page, if there are at least two authors with the same surname--Estopedist1 (talk) 12:43, 2 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Estopedist1: I don't disagree. Sometimes there are special cases, where (almost) all links are referring to a taxon authority. For convenience, I chose to create the disambiguation page with a temporary name, but of course it could be moved. Another big task would be to correct all links pointing to disambiguation pages (Wikispecies:Disambiguation pages with links). Korg (talk) 13:16, 2 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Korg: even if 95% links is related to one person, I strongly suggest to do disambiguation page, because
  1. all our links must be like {{a|Charles Robert Darwin|Darwin}}, not barely {{a|Darwin}}
  2. when using disambiguation page system, we automatically see these errors and some Wikipedias even mark them in different colour, see eg Hungarian Wikipedia;
  3. all long discussions will end immediately when using this easy system;
  4. yes, we have over 100k such links pointing to the disambiguation pages (Wikispecies:Disambiguation pages with links). But step-by-step we will correct them.--Estopedist1 (talk) 16:57, 2 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
one of the hardest question for me is, what to do when taxon and taxon authority have the same name. WS is taxon-focused, then probably almost all cases we maybe should use the system: reserving to the taxon and creating the disambiguation page "LEMMA (authorities)"--Estopedist1 (talk) 16:57, 2 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Some templates to delete (?)

I recently made two new templates for volumes of Biologia Centrali-Americana ({{Jacoby, 1880–1892}} and {{Jacoby, 1880–1892a}}) that makes these existing four templates redundant, since they only cover specific page ranges of these volumes. So I'm requesting they be deleted, if there is no objection. Normally I would add {{Delete}} to put these up for speedy deletion, but I feel in this case there may possibly be differing opinions on how to deal with them (and in case anyone thinks it's better to have reference templates for a single year only or something?). I suppose they could be made into redirects, but on the other hand deleting them could free up the template names to use for other publications by the same author. Monster Iestyn (talk) 03:20, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Since Jacoby wrote both entire volumes, referencing parts separately is not necessary. If it were a collaboration, then separate those parts according to individual contributions. Neferkheperre (talk) 14:57, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that makes sense to me. Though, those four templates were originally created because some articles that cite the volumes gave only pages for a certain year. Monster Iestyn (talk) 17:27, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this archive.
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