Lavalizard101

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-- Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:55, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Languages in Taxonavigation

Hello Lavalizard101, and thank you for your work. However, please note that the names of taxon ranks listed in the "Taxonavigation" sections should always be in Latin. Hence I have reverted two of your edits: this one, and this one. You can find more information regarding this issue in the Wikispecies Help files, more precisely here: Taxonavigation section: Multiples of a taxon. Best regards, and happy editing! –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 20:27, 8 November 2016 (UTC).

Request for vote reg use of BASEPAGENAME

The previous discussions regarding if we should subst:ing BASEPAGENAME and change all [[BASEPAGENAME]] into [[susbt:BASEPAGENAME]] did not really reach a consensus.

Please vote here on the Village pump!

If you are not sure on your opinion, you can read and join the discussion about the claimed advantages and disadvantages of using BASEPAGENAME

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:29, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Wikispecies Oversighter

Wikispecies has no local Oversighter. Since I had the communitys confidence regarding the previous application for Checkusers rights, as per local Oversight policy on META, I hereby apply to get Oversighters user rights, as a request to the Wikispecies community.

Application is located at Requests for Comment.

Please also note that Oversighter actions are logged, but for privacy reasons the logs are only visible to other Oversighters. Because of this, Wikispecies must always have no fewer than two oversighters, for mutual accountability. I don't want to suggest anyone, but hope that someone feel inspired and will step forward and also apply for oversighters rights.

Dan Koehl through MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:01, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Oversight nomination

Please refer to Wikispecies:Oversighters/Requests/Koavf for a second Oversight nomination. Note that we must have at least two Oversigthers in order for anyone to have these user rights. All feedback is welcome. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:50, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Citations

Hello Lavalizard101. When possible, please also try to include verifiable sources to your many Theropoda related edits. Thank you, and happy editing! –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 10:30, 18 May 2017 (UTC).

Please also see this discussion at the Village Pump: Wrongly named (fossil) taxa pages. Thanks. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 13:59, 26 May 2017 (UTC).

Tinodon

Hi! Tinodon bellus and lepidus are two different taxa, both described by same author. So both deverves the categorization for auhtor. Other synonyms are categorizated through WS. Regards Burmeister (talk) 14:26, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Format of references

Hello again. When adding references and/or author names, please use the format specified in Help:Reference section. For example please use {{a|Author name}} rather than {{aut|[[Author name]]}} when there is an author page available. For information about what differs between the two author templates, please see {{A}} and {{Aut}}. Also, please separate different author names with commas, rather than semicolon, and add ISSN links to journal names, when available.

Please see this diff for an example of both of these matters. Thank you. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 08:48, 8 June 2017 (UTC).

Also, when adding DOI links to references please use the {{Doi|DOI}} template, since the format you used here simply doesn't work. All of these matters are described on the Help:Taxonavigation section and Help:Reference section pages, and of course also on the actual template pages, linked above. Thank you. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 15:52, 10 June 2017 (UTC).

The reason for using semicolons to separate different author names is that that was the format used on Wikipedia for those references so I did not know it was wrong so I apologize for that. Furthermore the reason for the above is because again the format used on Wikipedia was unclear and often lead to ^[1] and so I did not know of any other ways of adding references.Lavalizard101 (talk) 13:18, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

I see. Well, read up on Help:Contents and its subsections and it should all be fairly clear. Our format is somewhat different than Wikipedias, but it isn't particularly difficult. :-) All the best, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 20:57, 12 June 2017 (UTC).

Hello, in relation to edits such as this, and some of your others, I think the example given in Help:Reference section would suggest no common or speechmarks; thanks, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 22:50, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Pages incorrectly marked for deletion

You recently marked the pages Daemonosaurus chauliodus and Eodromaeus murphi as up for speedy deletion, with the remark that "genus it belongs to is monotypic and all this information is stated there". Please note that's the Wikipedia way of handling taxon pages: here at Wikispecies we don't do it like that. Here, every legitimate taxon should have their own taxon page, even if their parent taxon is monotypic. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 15:02, 27 June 2017 (UTC).

"Taxa by author" categories

When creating categories for taxa named by authors, please note that those categories must include a "Taxa by author" category, preferably with "DEFAULTSORT" data as a parameter. Otherwise your newly created categories will not be listed in Category:Taxa by author, which is important. Before creating any new ones, please see Category:Eduard Daniel van Oort taxa as an example. Thank you. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 17:23, 27 June 2017 (UTC).

...also, please note that the DEFAULTSORT "magic word" is used by the Wikimedia server software to decide how a page should be SORTED by DEFAULT (for instance in a category). Since we of course sort all author names alphabetically by surname, the surname should be listed first in the DEFAULTSORT data string (as in the "van Oort" example above). To clarify I made a small correction to the "Category:Mark A. Norell taxa" you've created. When instead sorting specific taxa (rather than author names) this is never an issue, since the "surname" (i.e. genus) is of course always added before the specific name anyway (i.e. of course "Genus species" rather than "species Genus".)

Another thing that can be good to know is that the DEFAULTSORT string shouldn't include any diacritics, umlauts or any other such characters. Again it's a server thing I guess, but there we are... In other words letters in DEFAULTSORT should only include a–z: not any carets, apostrophes, German ü, Swedish å, or such. As an example the DEFAULTSORT data for the Croatian entomologist Ana Previšić should read Previsic, Ana with common letters instead of the š and ć.

Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 12:26, 28 June 2017 (UTC).

Family-group

Hi! Following The Code (ICZN): "35.1. Definition The family group encompasses all nominal taxa at the ranks of superfamily, family, subfamily, tribe, subtribe, and any other rank below superfamily and above genus that may be desired". Tribus belong to the family-group. Regards, Burmeister (talk) 17:21, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I forgot the ICZN defined family-group that way. Still some of my other edits pluralising the category are still valid. Lavalizard101 (talk) 17:27, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

​As a side-note but still important: Earlier today you added the phrase "Currently working on: Categorising the Category:New family-group names because ppl are idiots […]" to your Wikispecies user page. Some may consider this as bordering a breach of the Wikimedia conduct policy.

I agree that these categories (i.e. their names) has a lot of problems, but please rephrase the remark on your user page. Other than that: thank you very much for your contributions! They are most welcome. Best regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk) 19:33, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Autopatrolled rights

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Thanks for your many useful contributions, and don't hesitate to ask if there's something you need help with. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:44, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Categorization of botanical names

Hello, please be carefull with your categorization! The botanical Code for plants, fungi and algae does not know such "genus-group names", this is only the zoological Code. And Fereiria, Ravnia like other redirects are not at all invalid genera in botany, but just valid genus names that are currently in synonymy. So better concentrate your work on zoological names. Kind regards, Thiotrix (talk) 13:32, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Reference templates

Hi! Just a quick note: you can use {{subst:Reftemp}} at the end of a reference template to add the "Reference page" and "Find all Wikispecies pages which cite this reference" links and the Category:Reference templates category. It's listed under "Wikispecies tools:" when you're editing a page. (I say this because I notice you've been adding the links but not the category to your templates) Monster Iestyn (talk) 15:46, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

WIll do that from now on. Lavalizard101 (talk) 15:55, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Incertae sedis

Hi, regarding your recent edit summary on Template:Sigmatineurum, "we do not include "incertae sedis" on taxonavigation templates"... I've not heard this being the case before? Was there maybe a discussion I missed somewhere where people say incertae sedis is not used on Wikispecies? I ask because I've been specifying incertae sedis on various taxonavigation templates for years now and nobody has brought this up to me before, so I'm rather confused by this. Monster Iestyn (talk) 02:32, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

@Monster Iestyn: Hi. A nice collection of links regarding all of this can be found here: Incertae sedis. The information there is not complete in any way, but at least it's a good start. Kind regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 06:08, 4 January 2025 (UTC).

Incertae sedis

Hello, you made this edit with the comment "no incertae sedis in taxonavigation", can I ask the reason for that last comment, because I was unable to find something about that in Help:Contents, what is the issue? Christian Ferrer (talk) 14:07, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

• Hello again, I see that you perfomed other edits since this message, and the message above, could you take 30 seconds to answer please? Christian Ferrer (talk) 12:14, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
  • A nice collection of links regarding all of this can be found here: Incertae sedis. While it doesn't cover incertae sedis in taxonavigation templates, it includes links to discussions wherein incertae sedis taxon pages were banned, some of us have been extending that to include removing it in taxonavigation templates. Lavalizard101 (talk) 12:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
    • Well ok, thanks for the answer, however there is a clear and huge difference between a taxon page incertae sedis and the fact to include incertae sedis as an information line within the taxonavigation, as e.g. where you removed it. I did not see a begining of consensus about that, not even a discussion about that. Without further information, or evidence of consensus, or evidence of potential damage for Wikispecies, I am going to perform revert editions, don't take this personally. A well noted above by Monster Iestyn, it's an established pratice for years, and it need a wider discussion to change that. I will wait one or two days before reverting in case you have additional informations to provide, otherwise I will revert. Christian Ferrer (talk) 12:33, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
      • @Tommy Kronkvist:, this sounds to me like it could do with a wider discussion, what are your thoughts? Also reverting purely bc no consensus for a change could itself be considered disruptive as consensus isn't required for every change. Lavalizard101 (talk) 13:00, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
        • Also Monster lestyn above saying he has used it for years =/= it being a well established practice. Lavalizard101 (talk) 13:13, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
          • Just don't take it personaly, a revert is not an "aggression", especially when it is explained. There is no consensus about the fact to remove that info from tha taxonavigation, it is a fact. It is also not indicated to avoid that practice within the Wikispacies "Helps" sections. It is also an important information regarding taxonomy, i.e. in Wikispecies we can not indicate incertae sedis somewhere within a taxonavigation?!? There is no evidences of potential damage for Wikispecies. And no consensus neither discussions about incertae sedis within the taxonoavigation. So to remove it, is currently just as removing important informations without specific rationale (noconsensus, no discussions, no evidence of damage, ect...). And me I am going to reinstall this usefull information, information fully within the scope of Wikispecies (i.e. taxonomy), and the more simple to do that (sorry for that) is to revert. A revert within the Wikipedia projects is a thing that can be done without problem when it is well explained as I just did. Christian Ferrer (talk) 13:31, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

┌───────────────┘ @Christian Ferrer, Lavalizard101, and Monster Iestyn: I'm a bit pressed for time at the moment, but sure, I can start a thread at the Village Pump in a day or two. Mind you though, that this subject has been discussed many times before, at least in one or another fashion. For example, it was a Village Pump subject more than 20 times in 2024. And that's only one year, and only in the Village Pump. My guess is that the total sum may be a lot larger, considering that the Village Pump was created already in 2005. It's also been discussed many times on different user talk pages, of course, though for some odd reason never on the Administrators' Noticeboard. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 13:56, 6 January 2025 (UTC).

Those discussions are about incertae sedis pages not the issue at hand which is the use of incertae sedis in taxonavigation templates, different issue. Lavalizard101 (talk) 14:14, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

There are many others, for example in Village Pump, Archive 64: Taxon rank? from June, 2023. The oldest one I can find is Village Pump, Archive 6: Incertae sedis from December 2006. Unfortunately it takes rather a long time to find them all. By the way, here is a list of All pages with titles containing incertae sedis. There are 222 of them. Best regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 16:03, 6 January 2025 (UTC).

Again, they are either about Incertae sedis pages or just mention a single incertae sedis page, the current issue is about incertae sedis usage on taxonavigation templates. Different focus. Lavalizard101 (talk) 16:16, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Again, it's hard to find them all. For example, the Village Pump Archive 64: Taxon rank? thread I mentioned above says:

A lot of the other pages at a glance just don't seem to be using standard format in their taxonomy sections and need to be fixed, but "Genus incertae sedis" pages like Gonoconophora and Ankwlanno are fine I think (?): incertae sedis is just referring to their uncertain placements within their parent taxa as far as I can tell.
(by Monster Iestyn 20:33, 21 June 2023.)

Then one would have to look at the actual Gonoconophora and Ankwlanno pages to see that they include the {{Gonoconophora}} and {{Ankwlanno}} templates, respectively. And they in turn renders text including "incertae sedis", as shown in the picture here.

"Incertae sedis" in Wikispecies Taxonavigation templates.

There are of course many more threads like that one, but one often have to use a lot of "backtracking" like in the above example in order to find all the information relevant to each specific discussion. That's the time-consuming part...

With all of this said, I do very much agree with you that this whole issue could do with a wider discussion, but I think it would be nice if we where to find a few more good, simple and straight-forward examples before bringing it to the Village Pump. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 19:13, 6 January 2025 (UTC).

So far we have {{Gonoconophora}} and {{Ankwlanno}} as one type, my removals of it from {{Sigmatineurum}} and {{Ophiodelos}} earlier this week and just now looking at my contribution history it was also present in {{Tsintaosaurus}} originally [1], also present here [2] in {{Aragosaurus}} prior to me updating it with more recent classification, so that makes 6 examples (4 of which were removed by me, although one was an update as well). Lavalizard101 (talk) 20:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Made a post at VP. Lavalizard101 (talk) 20:10, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

┌────────────┘ Thanks. I'll see you there. –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 20:23, 9 January 2025 (UTC).

Neospiza

When a genus is synonymized with other due to a taxonomic change, please, in no way delete all the content, just to transform it in a redirection! Hector Bottai (talk) 02:31, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

Redirecting synonyms is acceptable and considered standard, see [3] [4] [5] etc. Lavalizard101 (talk) 11:06, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

Don't you think that destroying all the content is absolutely not reasonable? It took Lot If work If editors. Hector Bottai (talk) 11:23, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

Here is an example [6] of redirecting an existing page to a synonym. "It took o a lot of work" is not a valid reason to revert a redirect of a synonym. Lavalizard101 (talk) 11:25, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

Before reverting again, take a look to the correct way to redirect. If you still do not agree take the question to Village Pump. Stop destroying the content. Hector Bottai (talk) 11:30, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

I am doing it the correct way, the above example was not done by me, "Destroying content" "took a lot of work" etc. smacks of Ownership behaviour, Something which falls under disruptive editing. Your response to this comes across as ownership mentality, I provided examples which you have just disgarded as if they don't exist. Lavalizard101 (talk) 11:36, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

Now you decided to attack myself. Can you please, First, be educated, second, stop for a moment reverting and see the way to redirect, preserving the content. Just see! Hector Bottai (talk) 11:42, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

Attack you? You started attacking me "destroying content" etc. in fact your entire behaviour here encompasses ownership mentality bc again I have provided examples and you have not provided any examples or evidence of your way being correct. And before I started redirecting articles I looked at Wikispecies space and VP discussions, the only thing I found regarding how to deal with synonym pages was Wikispecies:Project Cleanup which says to redirect orphaned pages, which Neospiza fits under (literally the only link is from its own template and its listing as a synonym). Lavalizard101 (talk) 12:03, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

See as TK has said redirecting is common and retaining taxonomical data on redirect pages isn't uncommon (as a compromise, rather than being the "correct" way) whereas you (HB) just straight up reverted me and have refused to provide any evidence whatsoever of your (HB) way being correct. Lavalizard101 (talk) 12:31, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

What Tommy said is exactly what I was trying to do, but your immediate revert didn't allow. I will revert your edition, preserving all the content, and then redirect. If still you do not agree, stop and take the discussion to other level. Hector Bottai (talk) 14:10, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

No you weren't, your initial revert occurred hours before I reverted, you initially reverted at 2:23 UTC I reverted back at 11:04, you had time to readd the redirect while your first revert was live. Plus you could have added the redirect in the same edit as the revert rather than blanket rollback but chose not to, if you had I wouldn't have reverted. Lavalizard101 (talk) 14:20, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

Enough! You may consider I am in Brazil, 5 hours behind...so, I was sleeping. What is important for WS is that the content was preserved, and, hopefully, you have learned something new. And this is my last communication with you. Hector Bottai (talk) 14:53, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

This will be my last comment as well. I get that you are brazilian and are 5 hours behind but you performed the revert at 2:23 you could have added in the redirect afterwards before going to sleep and chose not to. That also doesn't excuse your blanket rollback when just a revert with the redirect left in would do. That's on you. Also rollbacking like that at en.wiki would be considered a misuse of rollback. Lavalizard101 (talk) 15:13, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

┌─────────────────┘ ​Retaining taxonomical data on redirect pages isn't uncommon. The redirect itself will work as usual, while the taxonomical data is still present on the redirect page. See for example Acanthostigus (added here using the {{No redirect}} template in order to avoid the actual redirect.)

–Best regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 12:24, 16 February 2025 (UTC).

Last note

@Hector Bottai and Lavalizard101:
I have edited the Neospiza page so that it more clearly points out that the taxon name is a synonym. Furthermore, later this week I will bring this whole matter up to the Village Pump – although I will most likely only address the issue as such, i.e. about 1: Redirecting synonyms, and 2: Adding taxonomic data to redirect pages. I will probably not mention this particular discussion here on Lavalizard101's user talk, since in my honest opinion I find the tone here unnecessarily harsh, from both parties.

This will be my last comment in this thread as well, awaiting the outcome of the Village Pump talks in the near future.
–Friendly regards, Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 07:59, 17 February 2025 (UTC).

Hint

@Hector Bottai and Lavalizard101: As for time differences, many years ago I set the time zone in my Preferences: Appearance-setting to "Use wiki default (UTC)", so that I see all Wikispecies time stamps in UTC. I've also activated "UTCLiveClock" in Preferences: Gadgets. This adds a clock to the (upper right) personal toolbar that always displays my current local time in UTC. As a combined result of these two settings, I can easily compare my own local time in regards to the time stamps in page history and on user signatures in talk pages etc., since everything is shown using the same time zone. And as a bonus, clicking the "clock" added by "UTCLiveClock" will purge the browser cache of the current page. This can be useful in many cases, for example to update the information shown on the Recent Changes page. As a side note, please be aware that it's possible to set the "Use wiki default (UTC)"-setting either for this wiki alone or globally for all wikis – however, the "UTCLiveClock" gadget isn't activated on all wikis, and therefore can't be set globally. It needs to be set on a per-wiki basis.
–Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 07:59, 17 February 2025 (UTC).

Thanks Tommy. Hector Bottai (talk) 10:00, 17 February 2025 (UTC)